Contrasting to the campaign-like rally he held in Madison, Wisconsin, President Obama took a quieter approach in Iowa and Virginia this week. In all three appearances he emphasized the accomplishments of the past 21 months despite inheriting a crashing economy. Here we have the full videos of Obama’s backyard discussions in Des Moines, Iowa and Richmond, Virginia on the economy.
Remarks by the President at a Backyard Discussion in Des Moines, Iowa
Clubb Residence, Des Moines, Iowa
10:06 A.M. CDT
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you so much for being here. And first of all, I just want to thank Jeff and Sandy and Tristan and Skyelar for letting us use their backyard. So please give them a big round of applause. (Applause.)
And since we are here, I should just say, go Bulldogs. (Applause.) I know how to work a crowd. (Laughter.)
I want to make sure that everybody also acknowledges your outstanding governor, Chet Culver, who’s here. (Applause.) The mayor of Des Moines, Frank Cownie, who is here. (Applause.) And State Representative Janet Petersen is here. (Applause.) All of whom are doing great work, and I had a chance to work with and get to know when I spent a few months here in Iowa a couple years ago.
It is wonderful to be back, and I thank all of you for coming. I am not going to give a long speech on the front end here. What I really want to do is hear from you. So what I’m going to do is just speak a little bit at the front end about where I think the country is at, how we move forward. It’s relevant because there is an election coming up, although I’m going to try to avoid making just a straight political speech here.
When I started running for President back in 2008 — 2007, 2008 — the reason I was willing to go into the race, even though Michelle was not crazy about politics and I had two young daughters who are the center of my world and I was going to be away from for quite a bit, was a feeling that the country was at a crossroads; that we had some fundamental decisions to make that we had been putting off for decades.
And there are a whole host of individual issues — education and energy and what we do in terms of our foreign policy — a whole bunch of discrete issues that concern me. What concerned me most I think was the nature of our economy and how the American Dream seemed as if it was slipping away for too many people.
From 2001 to 2009, the average wage of middle-class families in America actually declined by 5 percent. Job growth was slower during that period than at any time since World War II, at the same time as the costs of everything from health care to college tuition were skyrocketing.
And so what you had was a situation in which the very top was getting very wealthy, but the middle class, which is the beating heart of our economy, and those aspiring to get into the middle class, were finding it harder and harder to get ahead.
And there were a range of reasons for that, but a lot of it had to do with the set of policies that had been put in place, whose basic premise was that if we cut taxes, especially for millionaires and billionaires, and if we cut back on rules and regulations for how our industries and companies operate, and then we cut everybody loose to sort of do — to fend for themselves, that somehow the economy would automatically grow. And it didn’t work.
The other thing that was happening was that we were becoming less competitive internationally, so manufacturing jobs were moving overseas, you saw countries like China and India and Brazil investing heavily in their education systems and in infrastructure. And where we used to be ranked number one, for example, in the proportion of college graduates, we now rank number 12. Where we used to have the best public school system in the world, now our kids rank 21st in science and 25th in math.
And so slowly all the things that had made us the most productive country on earth were starting to slip away. And we were losing that competitive position.
So what I said was I’m going to run for President because there are some long-term things that we can do that will start growing our economy from the bottom up, make sure that the middle class is expanding, make sure that innovation and entrepreneurship is taking place in this country and not someplace else, that we can start rebuilding our economy so that it works for everybody. And that was really the platform that I ran on in 2008.
And that meant that we had to have a school system that was serious about training our young people for the jobs of the future, which wasn’t just a function of more money, by the way — it also meant reforming our school system so that it worked better. It meant that we made sure that every young person who worked hard and took responsibility was able to afford to go to college without accumulating some huge mountain of debt.
It meant that we put much more emphasis on math and science and how we could develop new technologies in our economy and innovation. It meant that we started investing more in research and development. We used to typically invest about 3 percent of our gross domestic product in research and development. That started slipping. I said we had to get it back up.
It meant that we invested in infrastructure that would lay the groundwork for a 21st century economy — not just roads and bridges but also broadband lines and a smart electric grid that could make us more energy efficient. It meant that we had a new energy policy that would focus on clean energy — solar and wind and biodiesel.
And it meant we had to fix our health care system, which was a huge drag on businesses and families and the federal government. It meant that we had to also get control of our spending and align what we take in and how much we spend at the federal government level so that it was sustainable.
Now, that was just on domestic policy. We had a whole bunch of things we had to do on foreign policy, too.
It turns out that we were in more trouble than we had even imagined in 2008, so that by the time I was sworn in, in January of 2009, a lot of these economic policies had culminated in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. And I don’t need to tell you how devastating that’s been for people all across the country and here in Iowa. In the six months before I was sworn in, we lost 4 million jobs. The month I was sworn in, we lost 750,000 jobs; the month after that, 600,000; the month after that, 600,000.
So we had already lost most of the 8 million jobs that we were going to end up losing in this recession before any of my economic policies even had a chance to take effect. And the financial system was on the verge of meltdown, so that people couldn’t even get loans to buy a car. I mean, credit was just shut down.
So we had to take a number of emergency measures. We stepped in and we stopped the bleeding. Now the economy is growing again. We’ve had private sector job growth for the last eight months. Credit is now flowing again, although small businesses are still having a tough time getting credit and so we’ve been focused — we signed a bill actually this week to help small businesses get credit and cut some of their taxes.
And so I’m very proud of the fact that we’ve been able to prevent the economy from going into a second depression, but not only do we have a big hole that we’ve got to climb ourselves out of — we still have those 8 million jobs that were lost, and that’s a lot of jobs to make up — the economy is still not growing as fast as it needs to. A lot of small businesses are still struggling. A lot of large businesses are just sitting on a lot of cash because they’re still uncertain about whether to invest in the future. But all those other problems that we had, those didn’t go away, the foundational problems, the structural problems in the economy that had led us to slip relative to other countries.
So we’ve had a real challenge over the last couple of years of dealing with a crisis but not taking our eye off the ball in terms of some of the policies that we’ve got to change.
And that’s why financial reform was so important, so we never have to engage in taxpayer-funded bailouts again. That’s why health reform was so important because we had the opportunity not only to help ordinary folks have a better handle on their health care costs, but also that over time, we could make the health care system as a whole more efficient and effective.
That’s why we’ve put so much emphasis on education reform. And this is one area where I think that we’ve actually gotten some compliments from Republicans because we’re — we are not taking an ideological approach. We’re saying how do we create more accountability in the system, how do we encourage better teachers in the classroom, how do we break through some of the bureaucracy to make sure our kids are learning what they need to learn.
This is all by way of saying that the challenges the economy faces are still great, and they’re not going to go away tomorrow or the next day. But we’re on the right path, we’re on the right track, as long as we stay focused on two things: number one, that our economy only works when folks who are working hard, middle-class families, ordinary folks have opportunity so that if they’re doing the right thing, they’re going to be able to support a family; they’re going to be able to send their kids to a good school and send them to college; they’re going to be able to retire with some dignity and respect; they’re going to be able to afford health care and not go bankrupt when they get sick.
That has to be the orientation. And everything we think about in terms of economic policy is how do we make sure that if people are out here working hard and taking responsibility for themselves and their families, that they are rewarded. That’s the essence of the American Dream.
And the second thing that we’ve got to keep in mind is that we’ve got to make tough choices if we’re going to solve some of these long-term problems that we’ve been putting off. And that means putting aside some of the politics as usual. And it also means sometimes telling folks things they don’t want to hear.
Now, we’re in election season, so that second part of the formula is very hard to apply. And I just want to say — and then I’m just going to open it up for comments and questions — when you look at the choice we face in this election coming up, the other side, what it’s really offering is the same policies that from 2001 to 2009 put off hard problems and didn’t really speak honestly to the American people about how we’re going to get this country on track over the long term.
And I just want to use as an example the proposal that they put forward with respect to tax policy. They want to borrow $700 billion to provide tax cuts for the top 2 percent of Americans, people making more than $250,000 a year. It would mean an average of a $100,000 check to millionaires and billionaires. That’s $700 billion we don’t have, so we’d either have to borrow it, which would add to our deficit, or we’d have to cut — just to give you an example, about 20 percent of the amount of money that we spend on education. We’d have to cut investments we’ve made in clean energy. We’d have to cut investments we’ve made in Head Start. We’d have to cut improvements in terms of student loans for kids going to college that would affect about 8 million kids.
So that’s an example of where, you’ve got a choice to make. You can’t say you want to balance the budget, deal with our deficit, invest in our kids, and have a $700 billion tax cut that affects only 2 percent of the population. You just can’t do it.
And so I hope that as you go forward, not just over the next six weeks before the election but over the next two years or next six years or next 10 years, as you’re examining what’s taking place in Washington, that you just keep in mind that we’re not going to be able to solve our big problems unless we honestly address them.
And it means that we’ve got to make choices and we’ve got to decide what’s important. And if we think our kids are important and the next generation is important, then we’ve got to act like it. We can’t pretend that there are shortcuts or that we can cut our taxes, completely have all the benefits that we want, and balance the budget, and not make any tough choices. That’s I think more than anything the message that I want to be communicating to the American people in the months and years ahead.
Anyway, with that, I just want to open it up. I know that there are microphones somewhere in the audience. We’ve got these terrific young people who volunteered. So just raise your hand, and they’ll find you.
Here you go. Why don’t we start right here? And please introduce yourself.
Q Good morning, Mr. President. Welcome back to Iowa. We’re thrilled to have you back here.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mary. It’s great to be back.
Q I have a 24-year-old son who campaigned fiercely for you and was very inspired by your message of hope. He graduated from Simpson College about a year and a half ago with honors.
THE PRESIDENT: Congratulations.
Q And he’s still struggling to find a full-time job. And he and many of his friends are struggling. They are losing their hope, which was a message that you inspired them with. Could you speak to that — how you would speak to the young men and women in our country who are struggling to find a job, and speak to that message of hope?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I was in Madison, Wisconsin, yesterday, and we had about 25,000 mostly young people come out. And it was a terrific reminder of the fact that young people still have so much energy and so much enthusiasm for the future. But they’re going through a tough time. Look, this generation that is coming of age is going through the toughest economy of any generation since the 1930s. That’s pretty remarkable.
Most of us — in fact, I’m just looking around the room — I think it’s fair to say nobody here remembers the economy of the Great Depression. So the worst economy we had gone through — maybe one — (laughter) — maybe one, maybe a couple. But you guys look really good for your age, though, so — (laughter.)
But for most of us, the worst we had seen before was the 1981 recession, the 1991 recession, and then the recession of 2001. This recession had more impact on middle-class families than those other three recessions combined in terms of job loss and how it’s affected people’s incomes.
So that’s going to have an effect on an entire generation. It means that they’re worried about the future in a way that most of us weren’t worried when we got out of college.
Now, here’s the good news — and I’ve said this to young people. I think that this generation, your son’s generation, is smarter, more sophisticated, more passionate, has a broader worldview. I think that they don’t take things for granted; they’re willing to work hard for whatever they can achieve. I think they think about the community and other people and they don’t just have a narrow focus on what’s in it for me. When I meet young people these days, I am very impressed with them. I think they’re — they are terrifically talented.
And so — so their future will be fine. But in the short term, what I’d say to them is that, first of all, we’re doing everything we can to make sure that they can get the best education possible.
One of the things that we did this year that didn’t get a lot of attention was we were able to change the student loan program out of the federal government to save about $60 billion that’s going to go directly to students in the form of higher grants, reduced loan burdens, debt burdens when they get out of college. It’s going to make a difference to them. So we’re going to do everything we can to make sure they can succeed educationally.
Number two, obviously we’re doing everything we can to grow the economy so that if they’ve got the skills, they’re going to be able to find a job in this new economy. And as I said, we’ve seen private sector job growth eight consecutive months now.
The economy is growing; it’s just not growing as fast as we’d like it — partly because there are still some headwinds. We had some overhang because of all the problems in the housing market, and the housing market is a big chunk of our economy. All that excess inventory of houses that were built during the housing bubble, they’re getting absorbed and slowly that will start improving. So the expectation is, is that although we’re not growing as fast as we can, if we’re making some good choices about providing small businesses tax breaks and helping to shore up the housing market, that over the next couple of years, you’re going to start seeing steadily the economy improving.
And if young people like your son are prepared, if they’re focused and equipped, they’re going to be able to find a good job.
In the meantime, what we’ve also done is made sure, for example, that your son can stay on your health insurance until the age of 26, which — because of health care reform. And that is going to relieve some of the stress that they’re feeling right now.
And then finally what I’d tell your son is, is that we’re trying to make some tough decisions now so that by the time he has his own son or daughter, that we are back to number one in research and development, back to number one in the proportion of college graduates, back to number one in terms of innovation and entrepreneurship, that we have succeeded in creating a competitive America that will ensure this 21st century is the American Century, just like the 20th century was.
But it’s going to take some time, and so the main message I have to young people — in some ways, this generation may be less fixed on immediate gratification than our generation was, partly because they’ve seen some hardship in their own families and in their own careers.
Okay, who’s next? Gentleman right here.
Q I live about five or six blocks away in Beaverdale. And we’re really glad you came here, Mr. President.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. It’s not hard to come here. This is a nice neighborhood, by the way.
Q It’s great.
THE PRESIDENT: I love these big trees. (Applause.) It’s beautiful.
Q Now, my question relates to things halfway around the world and how they affect the economy, particularly the wars and the enormous amount of spending that has gone into that over the last decade, not just the last couple years. So this is what I’d ask. Those decade-long conflicts have had an enormous cost in terms of people killed and wounded — our men and women, and other peoples who are killed — and they’ve had a gigantic cost in terms of money and resources and people diverted to the war. When can we look forward to reducing the huge spending on these wars, and is it possible that kind of funds could help us square up our budget and give us crucial resources to strengthen our economy right here at home?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I said at a speech I made at West Point talking about Afghanistan that I’m interested in nation-building here at home. That’s the nation I want to build more than anything else.
As you know, because it was a big issue when I was campaigning here in Iowa, I was opposed to the war in Iraq from the start. I made a commitment that I would bring that war to a responsible end. We have now ended our combat mission in Iraq and we’ve pulled out 100,000 troops out of Iraq since I was in office. (Applause.) So that’s a commitment we’ve followed up on.
Now, Afghanistan was a war that most people right after 9/11 I think overwhelmingly understood was important and necessary. We had to go after those who had killed 3,000 Americans. We had to make sure that al Qaeda did not have a safe haven inside Afghanistan to plan more attacks. And you can speculate as to whether if we hadn’t gone into Iraq, we had just stayed focused on Afghanistan, whether by now we would have created a stable situation and we would not have a significant presence there. But that’s not what happened.
And so when I walked in, what we had was a situation in Afghanistan that had badly deteriorated over the course of seven years, and where the Taliban was starting to take over half of the country again. You had a very weak Afghan government. And in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan, you had al Qaeda still plotting to attack the United States.
Now, I had said during the campaign we need to make sure that we’re getting Afghanistan right. And what I committed to when I came into office was we’ll put additional resources, meaning troops and money on the civilian side, to train up Afghan forces, make sure that the Afghan government can provide basic services to its people.
But what I also said is we’re not going to do it in an open-ended way. We’re going to have a time frame within which Afghans start having to take more responsibility for their own country. And I said that on July of next year, we’re going to begin a transition of shifting from U.S. troops to Afghan troops in many of these areas.
Now, the situation there is very tough. Afghanistan is the second-poorest country in the world. There are a lot of countries in the world. This is the second poorest. It has a 70 percent illiteracy rate. Afghanistan was much less developed than Iraq was. And it had no significant traditions of a strong central government that could provide services to its people, or a civil service, or — just the basic infrastructure of a modern nation state.
So we’re not going to get it perfect there. It is messy, it is hard, and the toughest job I have is when I deploy young men and women into a war theater because some of them don’t come back, and I’m the one who signs those letters to family members offering condolences for the enormous sacrifice of their loved ones.
But I do think that what we are seeing is the possibility of training up Afghan forces more effectively, keeping pressure on al Qaeda so that they’re not able to launch big attacks, and that over the next several years as we start phasing down, those folks start lifting up.
Here’s the impact it will have on our budget. There are going to be still some hangover costs from these two wars — the most obvious one being veterans, which we haven’t always taken care of as well as we should have, and I’ve had to ramp up veterans spending significantly because I think that’s a sacred trust. They’ve served us well; we’ve got to serve them well. (Applause.) And that means services for post-traumatic stress disorder, reducing backlogs in terms of them getting disability claims, help specifically for women veterans who are much more in the line of fire now than they’d ever been before. All those things cost some money.
So even as we start winding down the war in Afghanistan, it’s not as if there’s going to be a huge peace dividend right away. But what it does mean is we’ll be able to more responsibly manage our military budget, and this is another example of where you can’t say you want to balance the budget and not take on reform in the Pentagon. I mean, we’ve already pushed hard to eliminate some weapons programs in the Pentagon budget that the generals, the people who actually do the fighting, say we don’t need. But getting those programs shut down is very difficult because typically there’s not a single weapons program out there that doesn’t have some part being built in 40 different congressional districts in 10 or 20 different states so that everybody has a political vested interest in keeping it going.
And Bob Gates, my Defense Secretary, has been really good about pushing hard on that. And we’ve won some battles, but that’s going to be an area that we’re going to have to take a serious look at as well when we put forward a plan for getting a handle on our long-term debt and deficits.
Okay? All right, I’m going to go boy, girl, boy, girl, just to make sure everybody knows I’m fair here. (Laughter.) Right here.
Q Hi. My mother lives with my husband and I. We take care of her. She’s been with us for six years now. She is currently in a nursing home getting rehab.
THE PRESIDENT: Right.
Q I have great concerns over your health bill. One of the ladies in admissions over there whom I was talking with the other week, started — she’s from England, and her family is still in England.
THE PRESIDENT: Right.
Q And she was explaining to us how — telling us what we had to look forward to here. Her sister worked as a nurse in the same hospital for 20 years. She was 55. She was told she needed open-heart surgery. She was put on a 10-year waiting list. Three years later, she had a major heart attack and they were forced to give her that surgery that she needed.
I realize you’re saying the 26-year-olds will have health insurance — they don’t have to worry about that. My mother always told me the older you get, the faster time goes. And when she said that to me years back, I thought she was crazy.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I’ve noticed this, too. (Laughter.)
Q Yes. And these 26-year-olds in a heartbeat are going to be 50, 55. When you’re young, you’re supposed to be able to work hard for what you want. You build up your income. You further yourself so you can retire and have peace of mind. It’s hard to — I can’t fathom now how can you be excited in your youth when you have to save, save, save just to protect yourself health insurance-wise when you reach our age.
THE PRESIDENT: Let me ask you a question, though. I mean, because you said you’re worried about my health reform bill, and the nurse said, here’s what you have to look forward to. Is your mom on Medicare?
THE PRESIDENT: So there’s nothing in our health reform bill that is going to impact whether your mom can get heart surgery if she needed it. We didn’t change the core Medicare program. So unless there’s something specific that you’re worried about –
Q Medicare doesn’t start until you’re 65.
THE PRESIDENT: No, no, I understand.
Q I’m talking about 50, 55 years old.
THE PRESIDENT: All right, so if you’re not on Medicare –
Q Yes, right.
THE PRESIDENT: And do you have health insurance?
Q Yes. Right now, yes.
THE PRESIDENT: So there’s nothing in the bill that says you have to change the health insurance that you’ve got right now. I just want to identify what your worry is, because I want to say you shouldn’t be worried about it. But what is it that you think might happen to your health insurance as a consequence of health care reform?
Q Okay, what I’m concerned about is say if my — just say if my husband got laid off. Say we had no health care.
THE PRESIDENT: You had no health insurance, okay? Now, right now before reform, if you had no health insurance, you’d just be out of luck, okay?
Q And then we’d get the government-run health insurance, right? Is that what you’re saying?
THE PRESIDENT: No, here’s the way it would work. So let me just kind of map it out for you. If you are already getting health insurance on your job, then that doesn’t change. Health insurance reform was passed six months ago. I don’t know if anybody here has gotten a letter from their employer saying you now have to go into government-run health care because we can’t provide you health insurance anymore. I mean, that hasn’t happened, right?
So you’re keeping the health insurance that you had through your job. And the majority of people still get health insurance through your job.
The only changes we’ve made on people’s health insurance who already have it was to make it a little more secure by saying there are certain things insurance companies can’t do — a patient’s bill of rights, basically.
So insurance companies can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick, which was happening. Sometimes there were some insurance companies who were going through your policy when you got sick to see if you had filled out the form wrong, you hadn’t listed some infection that they might call a preexisting condition, et cetera — a bunch of fine print that led to people not having health insurance. So that was one thing that we said.
We said also you can keep kids on your health insurance till they’re 26; that children with preexisting conditions had to be covered under health insurance.
So there were a handful of things that we said insurance companies have to do, just as good business practices to protect consumers. But otherwise you can stay on your employer’s health care. So that’s if you have health insurance.
The other thing that we did was we said if you’re a lot of people who don’t have health insurance, it’s because they work for small businesses, who have trouble affording health insurance, because they’re not part of a big pool — they’re not like a big company that has thousands of employees and they can negotiate because the insurance companies really want their business — so what we said was let’s provide tax breaks to small businesses so they can — they’re more likely to buy health insurance for their employees. And right now about 4 million businesses across the country are now getting a tax break, a tax credit, if they provide health insurance for their employees, that can save them tens of thousands of dollars. So that’s the second thing.
And the third thing we said was, okay, if you don’t have health insurance — let’s just say your job doesn’t offer you health insurance, or you lose your job — then what we’re going to set up is what’s called an exchange, which is basically a big pool — you become part of this big group of people, just like as if you were working for a big company or a big university like Drake. You become part of this pool, and you’ll be able to buy your own insurance through this pool, but the rates will be lower and you’ll get a better deal because you’ve got the bargaining power of these thousands or millions of people who you’re buying it with. You’ll still have a choice of plans. You’ll have a choice of BlueCross or you’ll have a choice of this plan or that plan, but you’ll be buying it through a pool. And if you can’t afford it, then we’ll provide you some subsidies to see if we can help you buy it, so make it affordable.
So that’s essentially what health reform is about. Now, what that means is, is that you’re not going to be forced to buy a “government-run” health care plan. The only thing that we have said is, is that if you can afford to get health care and you’re not getting health care, well, that’s a problem because that means when you get sick and you have to go the emergency room, everybody else here has to pay for it. And that’s not fair.
So we’ve said if you can afford to get health care, we’re going to make sure that you can afford it, but you’ve got to have some basic coverage so that we’re not subsidizing — everybody else isn’t paying an extra thousand dollars on their premiums to cover you.
Q All right. We’re all — we all agree health — there needs to be health reform, okay? We just moved out here a year ago from Las Vegas, okay? There are illegal immigrants that are getting free health care right now, okay? The doctor that we had, clinics and stuff, closed up because they couldn’t even afford to stay open because of all the illegal immigrants that were getting health care.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me do this because — I’ll answer this question and then I want to make sure everybody else gets a chance, too. But the — no, I think this is important for me to be able to clear up some stuff. There’s no doubt that there are probably a number of hospitals in every major city, doctors in every major city, who are providing uncompensated care to a whole lot of people, including some illegal immigrants.
Basically most doctors and nurses that I meet, their whole reason for being in the profession is to help people. And so if they see somebody coming into the emergency room, if there’s some child who is badly injured or sick, they’re going to not check on their immigrant status, they’re going to say this is somebody who needs help.
And I think that’s the right thing to do for our society generally. I don’t — I think it is very important for us to make sure that we have compassion as part of our national character. (Applause.)
Now, the thing I want to point out, though, is, is that, first of all, there’s nothing in my health care plan that covers undocumented workers, right? So that’s not part of health reform.
And the second thing is, it turns out actually illegal immigrants probably under-utilize the health care system. The only time they go to the health care system is if they have an emergency, because for the most part they’re worried about getting caught.
So that’s not to say that there’s not a portion of that population that is getting uncompensated care that’s adding to our costs. But there are a lot more Americans who don’t have health insurance, as a consequence don’t get regular checkups, aren’t getting preventive care, are more likely to end up in the emergency room, are more likely to add to the cost of the hospitals or the doctors.
And so if we can provide them with basic checkups, basic preventive care, affordable health care so they’ve got some peace of mind, that will actually over time make the system more efficient as a whole, because emergency room care is the most expensive kind of care.
But I guess the main message I just want to communicate — because there was a lot of misinformation during the health care debate — I just want to communicate that if you’re happy with what you’ve got, nobody is changing it. And you and your mom are going to be able to have — your mom is going to have her Medicare and — the core benefits of Medicare aren’t changing. And if you’ve got health care through your employer, that’s not going to change, except to make it a little bit safer and more secure.
If you don’t have health care, then it’s just going to help. And overall, independent estimates say that this is not going to add to our deficit; it’s actually going to reduce our deficit because we’re making the health care system more efficient over time.
But I understand why people are concerned, because this is a very personal thing, and nothing is scarier than when you don’t have health care and you’re sick.
I’ve told the story of when Sasha was three months old, she got meningitis. And I still remember going to the hospital. And she had to get a spinal tap, and I never felt so helpless and scared in my life. And I was lucky to have health insurance, but we were in the emergency room looking around and thinking, well, what if I was one of these other parents who didn’t have it and my daughter was going through this.
And I was thinking I’m going to get a $20,000 or $30,000 bill after this and I have no way of paying for it. Or what if my child has a chronic illness? And so it’s not just a one-time trip, but it’s trip after trip. And I don’t think any parent should have to go through that, not in a society as rich as ours, so — but thank you for the question. It’s helpful.
Yes, sir. Got a mic right behind you.
Q President Obama, first, thanks for allowing us the opportunity to meet with you here in Iowa.
THE PRESIDENT: You bet.
Q Especially since I’m a Drake graduate, I’m especially thrilled to be here — it’s like testing my education, my graduate degree at least.
Anyways, I moved here from Chicago about 30 years ago.
THE PRESIDENT: You still got a little –
Q It’s a nice town.
THE PRESIDENT: You still got a little Chicago in you.
Q Yes, it’s still going to be there. I won’t argue with you on anything. But I think the reason I stayed here was it was a wonderful place to start a business. I got a Master’s here and I started a small business with $200 and a big dream. And I was 25 years old.
I’m 53 now. I’ve been in business 28 years. We went from what was myself to now almost 100 and some employees and about 200,000 square foot of manufacturing.
THE PRESIDENT: That’s — what kind of business is it?
Q We manufacture promotional products, and we actually make those bag signs you see in all the political yards.
THE PRESIDENT: Right, right.
Q We do all the printed T-shirts for every Juvenile Diabetes walk.
THE PRESIDENT: That’s great.
Q And the beauty of my background is I actually came from a medical background. My father, my father-in-law, my brother, my brother-in-law — everybody is a doctor, all in Chicago. So I was supposed to be a doctor, but I came here and I said, well, you know, I sort of like business, I like making deals. So we got started in business, and we started out as an ad agency. And I guess as we got into it, we realized that the key thing is to have a product to sell so you could sell truckloads of something rather than just sell one thing at a time. And so we did wholesale the way most people would like to do wholesale. And part of that meant importing, it meant trips to China 25 years ago, and it meant 25 years of growing the business.
I always hear — I’m never confrontational, I’m sure everybody here will tell you that — but I always hear that we’re trying not to tax anybody but the people that make over that $250,000, that elitist 2 percent. Any viable, strong competitive business — and the name of our business is “Competitive Edge,” 30 years ago, before CNN ever used it as a term — the hope is that you’re supposed to grow profitability so you can grow your business.
When I went in as a young man of 25 and said, “How about a bank loan?” There was a bank right across the street, and they really weren’t interested in myself unless I was buying a boat or a car and I was going to make payments. They didn’t understand the business.
Twenty-five years go by very quickly, unfortunately, and you find yourself looking around, proud of what you’ve built, but at the same time realizing there are new threats that besides what unfortunately you have to deal with on your plate, on a macro level, which is mindboggling, we each have our own little niche.
We also pay that health insurance for our employees. Always did. I remember paying for an employee who said, “What are my benefits?” I said, you’re going to get health insurance, you’re going to get a profit-sharing possibility here, you’re going to be able to grow with us. And the goal was, lock up the person, because you don’t want people changing jobs.
That insurance for that individual was $32 — $32 a month, and I more than happily picked that up. Today that amount is like $500. They don’t even get the same level of service. They get all generics, they don’t get the products, they don’t get anything.
I guess what my commentary comes down to is, as the government gets more and more involved in business and gets more involved in taxes to pay for an awful lot of programs, what you’re finding is you’re strangling those job-creation vehicles that are available — you’re sort of strangling the engine that does create the jobs. We have jobs that we offer, I mean, regularly. There’s always an opportunity for somebody that wants to work hard. I don’t care what the background is. I don’t care what the health level, what the education is, or where they came from.
But the fundamentals are profit. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars — well, if you’re two people and a family, that’s not a lot. It seems like a lot, but not when you have the family, the kids, the cars, the college, and all the other things that go — plus you have to grow the engine. You have to grow it to continue to provide more jobs and to create the dream.
Yes, there’s a lot of wealth, but it’s trapped in the buildings, the 200,000 square feet. It’s trapped in millions of dollars in inventory. It’s trapped in accounts receivable, which can run millions of dollars. People that are saying, you know, I don’t have it right now, I can’t pay yet — but the government comes along every quarter and the tax checks do go out on imaginary profits that you hope you won’t write off as bad debts a year later; on things that really from my perspective are the thrills of owning a small business, you know, having the whole plate on a micro level that you would have and having to constantly keep the balls in the air.
One of the things that concerns me is that repeal the Bush “tax cuts.” The repeal, I don’t care if it’s 5 percent — that’s 5 percent that would create a job. Five percent on millions of dollars of profit creates many jobs. Nobody is putting it in their pocket on a corporate level. They can sit with their piles of cash. But on a small business level, which is the essence of this country and it is the foreign ambassador for countries around the world to meet us, when I go to China and I spend all my time, I have a one-on-one relationship.
I sent an email out to all the people we do business with and I go, do you have any questions for our President? If I’m blessed and I have the opportunity to spend the four hours under the trees, I’d like to present your arguments. First one was, from China, why are you pressuring them for the renminbi? Why are you pressuring –
THE PRESIDENT: All right, we’re going way afield now. I mean, the — so let me focus on your question –
Q — the job creation –
THE PRESIDENT: — and I’ll be happy to talk about it. And then if you want I can tell you, if you’re making an argument on behalf of China about their currency, I’m happy to make that argument — to push back on that. But let me focus on the issue you raised about your business.
And first of all, I’m thrilled that you’ve been able to build this success. I have signed eight small business tax cuts since I came into office. And the package that we signed this week cut taxes in eight more ways. So your taxes haven’t gone up in this administration. Your taxes have gone down in this administration. (Applause.)
So I just want to be clear about this, because this is something that I know a lot of times there’s — I just think the notion that, well, he’s a Democrat, so your taxes must have gone up — well, that’s just not true. Taxes have gone down for you, the small businessperson and, by the way, for 95 percent of working families. That was part of the Recovery Act was reducing people’s taxes.
Now, with respect to the debate that’s now taking place on the Bush tax cuts, keep in mind that what we’ve proposed is to extend the Bush tax cuts for all income up to $250,000. So it’s not just sort of the person who is making $60,000 who would get a tax break or who is making $100,000 who would make a tax break — who would get a tax break. If you’re making $300,000, you’d still get a tax break on the first $250,000 worth of income. You’d pay a slightly higher rate on the $50,000 above that. If you make half a million dollars, you’d still be having tax relief on the first half of your income. On the other half above $250,000, you’d have a slightly higher rate — a rate, by the way, that is back to the level it was under Bill Clinton, at a time when there were a lot of small businesses and, in fact, the economy was doing much better.
The reason I think it’s important for us to do this is not because I’m not sympathetic to small businesses. It has to do with the fact that 98 percent — 98 percent of small businesses actually have a profit of less than $250,000. So it’s not just individuals who generally don’t make that much money; most small businesses don’t make that much money, either. But it costs $700 billion.
And so I’ve got to figure out, well, how do I pay for $700 billion? Because everybody is also concerned that our deficit is out of control. So then folks will say, well, let’s cut government spending.
Well, most government spending is Medicare, Medicaid, veterans funding, defense. When people look at the budget a lot of times they say, well, why don’t you just cut out foreign aid, for example? Foreign aid is 1 percent of our budget — not 25 percent, it’s 1 percent.
People say, well, why don’t you eliminate all those earmarks, all those pork projects that members of Congress are getting out there? Now, I actually think that a lot of that stuff needs to end, but even if I eliminated every single earmark, pork project by members of Congress, that’s 1 percent of the budget. So finding $700 billion is not easy.
And when we borrow $700 billion, we’re adding to our deficit and debt, and then we’ve got to pay interest to China or whoever else is willing to buy our debt.
So these are the choices — so it’s not that when it comes to small businesses, or big businesses, that I have any interest in raising taxes. I’d like to keep taxes low so that you can create more jobs. But I also have to make sure that we are paying our bills and that we’re not adding — putting off debt for the future generation.
And that’s what happened in the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. We lopped off taxes, and we did not pay for it. And that is the single largest contributor to the debt and the deficit. It’s not anything that we did last year in emergency spending. It’s not the auto bailout. It’s not the health care bill. That’s not what’s added to our deficit. The single biggest reason that we went from a surplus under Bill Clinton to a deficit of record levels when I walked into office had to do with these Bush tax cuts, because they weren’t paid for and we didn’t cut anything to match them up.
So I think that to say to the top 2 percent of businesses — which, by the way, includes hedge fund managers who have set up an S corporation but are pulling down a billion dollars a year but they’re still considered a small business under the criteria that are set up there, that to say to them, you’ve got to pay a modestly higher amount to help make sure that our budget over time gets balanced — I think that’s a fair thing to do.
And I think — when I talk to a lot of businesses, they just don’t want super high rates of the sort that existed before Ronald Reagan came into office. And I’m very sympathetic to that. And on capital gains and dividends, for example, we want to keep those relatively level. We don’t want — I would like to see a lower corporate tax rate. But the way to do that is to eliminate all the loopholes, because right now on paper we’ve got a high corporate tax rate. But in terms of what people actually pay, they’ve got so many loopholes that they’ve larded up in the tax code, that effectively they pay very low rates.
So this is a challenge. But I want to do everything I can to make sure that your business succeeds.
I will say the reason that I’m pushing China about their currency is because their currency is undervalued. And that effectively means that goods that they sell here cost about 10 percent less and goods that we try to sell there cost about 10 percent — let me not say 10 percent, because I don’t want the financial markets to think I’ve got a particular — there is a range of estimates. But I think people generally think that they are managing their currency in ways that make our goods more expensive to sell and their goods cheaper to sell here. And that contributes — that’s not the main reason for our trade imbalance, but it’s a contributing factor to our trade imbalance.
All right. Over here.
Q Thank you. Good morning, Mr. President.
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning.
Q I’m a proud Iowa social worker who works with crime victims. And my question is about the poverty rate. We currently have a rate of 14 percent poverty. That’s one out of seven people are in poverty. And I believe that that’s the highest rate since the 1960s. And there’s a lot of reasons why people go into poverty who weren’t in poverty before, things like medical emergencies and losing jobs, being a crime victim and, especially for women, a divorce.
My question is, what are we going to do — I guess, more specifically, what are you going to do — (laughter) — to help one out of six or seven people get out of poverty?
THE PRESIDENT: It’s a profound question. The poverty rate I think is the highest it’s been in 15 years. It’s still significantly lower than it was back in the 1960s, but it’s — look, it’s unacceptably high.
The single most important thing I can do to drive the poverty rate down is to grow the economy. What has really increased poverty is folks losing their jobs and being much more vulnerable. So everything we can do to provide tax breaks for small businesses that are starting up, to make sure that we are encouraging — for example, trying to accelerate investment in plants and equipment this year, and letting people write it off more quickly so that companies that are on the sidelines that are thinking about investing, they say, you know what, why don’t we go ahead and take the plunge now and start hiring now, instead of later — all that can make a big difference in terms of growing the economy, reducing the unemployment rate. That’ll reduce the poverty rate.
The second most powerful thing I can do to reduce the poverty rate is improve our education system because the single biggest indicator of poverty is whether or not you graduated from high school and you’re able to get some sort of post-secondary education. And right now too many of our schools are failing.
So this week we spent a lot of time talking about the education reforms we’ve already initiated. As I said, we set up something called Race to the Top. And it was a simple idea. The federal government sends education dollars to schools all across the country to help them, particularly poorer schools.
But what we said is we’re going to take a portion of that money — $4 billion — and we’re going to say to the states, you’re going to have a competition for this money. You’re not automatically going to get it because of some formula. You’ve got to show us that you are initiating reforms that are going to recruit better teachers and train them more effectively; that are going to have greater accountability measures so you’re able to track how students are doing during the course of the school year and make adjustments so that they’re not just being passed along from grade to grade even though they can’t read or do arithmetic at their grade level. We’re going to encourage more charter schools and more experiments in learning across the country.
All these reform efforts that we triggered through this competition have meant that 32 states actually changed their laws. It’s probably the biggest set of reforms that we’ve seen nationwide on public education in a generation.
Then what we’re trying to do is make sure that we’re working with community colleges and ensuring that they are providing a great pathway for young people who do graduate from high school. They may not go to four-year colleges right away, but the community college system can be just a terrific gateway for folks to get skills. Some start at a community college and then go on to four-year colleges. Some just get technical training, get a job and then come back maybe five years later to upgrade their skills or adapt them to a new business.
So we’re putting a lot of resources and effort into making sure that community colleges are constantly improving, and they’re adapting their curriculum to the jobs of the future. So education and growing the economy generally, those are the most important things I can do for poverty.
Now, there are other things like, for example, health reform so that people don’t lose their homes if they get sick that will help keep people out of poverty; making sure that we’re dealing with domestic violence, which can have an impact on women that then drives them out of homes and puts them into difficult situations; dealing with our veterans so that if they’ve got post-traumatic stress disorder, we are treating them quickly before it compounds itself and eventually they end up on the streets and it’s very hard for them then to get back on their feet.
Those are all things that are important, and we’re going to keep on doing them. But if we can grow this economy and improve our education system, that’s going to be the most important thing we can do.
I’m getting the signal — one more question. Okay.
I’m going to have to call on the guy with the collar. What can I do? (Laughter and applause.) I didn’t mean to outrank you here, but –
Q Sorry, Matt. (Laughter.) Mr. President, Father Michael Amadeo, pastor of Holy Trinity Catholic Church here in Beaverdale, as well as the school that in 2008 was recipient of the Department of Education’s Blue Ribbon Award.
THE PRESIDENT: Congratulations. Congratulations.
Q So thank you for being here. (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: Congratulations. (Applause.)
Q Secondly, thank you for your leadership. These are very tough economic times, tough times for our country, in regards to men and women being deployed.
My question for you comes from a member of my congregation who is 55 years of age, has a wife, two children who are freshmen in high school. A year ago he lost his job in manufacturing. He’s been unemployed now for a year plus. What will your economic policies do for him within the next year, and hopefully to be able to secure a job and have that American Dream again, which has now been lost?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, obviously that story is duplicated all across the country, and I get letters — I get about 40,000 letters or emails from constituents across the country every single day. And my staff selects out about 10 of them for me to read each night, sort of a representative sampling.
I know this is a representative sampling because about half the letters call me an idiot — (laughter) — so they’re not screening them out. (Laughter.) But a bunch of those letters talk about “I’m 50 years old, I’ve worked hard all my life, I’ve looked after my family, the plant closed, or the office shut down, and it’s very hard for me now to find work. The jobs that are available pay 20, 30 percent less than what I was making before.”
Sometimes the parents write about them feeling ashamed that they can’t provide for their kids the way they wanted to.
Sometimes I get letters from kids who aren’t at all ashamed of their parents. They love their parents. They’re proud of them. But they know that their parents are feeling bad. And so they write to me saying, “I wish you could just do something, because my dad or my mom, they look like they’re losing hope and they’re lost, and I feel bad.”
So what you’re hearing is what a lot of folks are going through all across the country. And I think — I’ve spoken generally about what we can do long term for our economic competitiveness. There are some things that we’re doing immediately to try to improve the business climate. So as I already mentioned, trying to get businesses who actually have a lot of cash — they’re making profits now — to invest those profits now as opposed to sitting on the sidelines or holding them.
And in plants and equipment and research and development, we’re trying to change sort of the incentive structures and the tax codes to spur on additional business investment.
If the member of your congregation, your parishioner, was in manufacturing, one of the things that we think holds a lot of promise is the whole clean energy sector, because some of the manufacturing jobs that have been lost just won’t come back, partly because manufacturing has become much more efficient.
I mean, a lot of people think that the reason manufacturing has gone down so fast is because all these jobs have been shipped overseas. Well, that’s a contributing factor. There’s no doubt China took a lot of our manufacturing jobs; prior to that, Mexico. Next will be Vietnam or Malaysia or other countries, just because their wages are much lower.
But — and frankly, it’s also because sometimes our trade deals weren’t enforced very well. And one of the things that I’m saying is I believe in free trade. I think that it can grow our economy. We already heard from a businessman who is involved in international trade. But I think it is very important to make sure that trade is fair and that each side is being treated equally. And right now, that’s not always the case.
But it turns out that a lot of manufacturing has declined, just because it’s gotten so much more efficient. You go into a steel plant now that used to take 10 folks to put out one unit of steel; now you need one person with a computer. When you go into just about any manufacturing plant these days, so much of it is automated. You’ve got these robot arms and it’s all clean and pristine and it’s just — it’s a different type of industry now. So that’s where a lot of jobs have been lost.
But here’s the good news. The clean energy sector I think is going to be a huge growth sector. And what we did during the Recovery Act was we invested in companies, including companies here in Iowa. I was out at a wind farm — where was that? Out in Fort Madison, Siemens — where you go here and what was just a shut-down factory, they’ve reopened. They’re building the blades for these massive windmills. And they had just hired several hundred people and were looking at hiring several hundred more because they are seeing some certainty in the renewable energy industry.
And so they had actually hired a lot of folks who were coming off traditional manufacturing industries, applying their new skills to these new jobs.
The same is happening in advanced battery manufacturing. I don’t know how many people here have a hybrid car — you’ve got a couple of folks. It turns out that we weren’t making the batteries that are going into these hybrid and electric cars; they were all being made elsewhere. We had about 2 percent of the market.
So as part of the Recovery Act what we said was, let’s invest in creating our own homegrown advanced battery manufacturing. And we’re on track now by 2015 to have 40 percent of the market. (Applause.)
And we were in Michigan, looking at one of these plants. A lot of the folks who were there are folks who used to work as suppliers for the auto industry. They had gotten laid off, and now they’re back helping to build what will be the cars of the future. These advanced batteries that they’re building are going into the Chevy Volt, which is a American-built clean energy car, a car of the future.
So there are still going to be opportunities for skilled tradesmen, people who’ve worked in manufacturing, but it’s not going to be in just these massive factories of the 1950s. It’s going to be in these new factories focusing on new industries, and this is where innovation and research and development is so important.
The one thing that’s going to happen, though, is, is that parishioner is going to need probably to update some of their skills, because as I said, the fact that they know manufacturing, they know machines and tools — all that is going to be helpful, but they’re also probably going to need to work a computer better. They’re going to need to know how to diagnose a big, complicated system, looking at a flat screen inside the factory as opposed to tooling around and opening things up to see what’s going on. And that may require some retraining. And that’s again why the community college system can be so important.
A lot of folks at the age of 50, they don’t need two years of education, but they may need six months where they’re able to retool and get some help paying the bills and making the mortgage while they are retooling. And those are the kinds of programs that I think we need to set up.
Well, listen, this has been terrific. I am so grateful to all of you for taking the time to be here. As I listen to the questions, it’s a good reminder we’ve got a long way to go.
But I do want everybody to feel encouraged about our future. This goes to the first question that was asked about the next generation. America is still the wealthiest country on earth. We have the best colleges and universities on earth. It still has the most dynamic entrepreneurial culture on earth. We’ve got the most productive workers of just about any advanced nation. We still have huge advantages, and people — billions of people around the world would still love the chance to be here. (Applause.)
And so I don’t want anybody to forget that we’ve been through tougher times before, and we’re going to get through these times. But typically, when we’ve gotten through tough times, it’s because we all buckled down and we refocused and we came together and we made some tough but necessary adjustments and changes in how we approach the future. And I’m confident we’re going to do that again.
But it’s going to happen not just because of me, the President. It’s going to happen because of individual small businesses. It’s going to happen because of what’s happening in congregations. It’s going to happen because of what young people are doing — thinking about their future and how they’re applying themselves to their studies.
All of us are going to have to be pulling together and refocusing on the future and not just the present. If we do that, we’re going to do fine.
So thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it. (Applause.)
Remarks by the President in a Discussion on the Economy in Richmond, Virginia
Southampton Recreation Association, Richmond, Virginia
4:10 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Well, everybody have a seat, have a seat. I just want to — first of all, I want to thank Matt and Stephanie for making their backyard available until it got really wet, and Matthew and Lucy, who are our official hosts today. And I’m so appreciative of them.
I want to acknowledge our mayor, Dwight Jones. Thank you so much for being here. And of course, I’ve got to say thanks again to Ms. Shelton for being here. We are graced by your presence.
This is really a casual setting, so I hope that we just open it up for a good conversation about where the country is at, where it’s going, how folks are feeling down here in Richmond. I want to hear from you at least as much as you’re hearing from me.
I find this really useful to me because when you’re in Washington all the time and you’re in these battles, sometimes you’re in what’s called the bubble. And I’m always trying to do what I can to break out of it and be able to get back with folks and have a conversation.
What I want to do is — what I want to do is just speak briefly about what’s going on in the economy, and then just open it up.
Obviously we’re going through a tough time. And these last two years have been as tough as any that we’ve seen in most of our lifetimes, except for Ms. Shelton. (Laughter.) Because the truth is, is that the financial crisis that we experienced was the worst since the Great Depression. We lost about 4 million jobs in the six months before I was sworn into office. We lost 750,000 jobs the month I was sworn into office; 600,000 jobs the two months after I was sworn in. So before any of my economic policies were put into place, we had already lost most of the 8 million jobs that we ended up losing in this recession.
And my first job was to make sure that the banking system did not completely collapse, and to make sure that we didn’t dip into a second depression. And we’ve done that. The economy that was contracting is now growing. We’ve had eight straight months of private sector job growth. So we’re making some progress.
But the truth is, is that people were having a tough time even before the crisis hit. We had gone — from 2001 to 2009, there was a period in which the average middle-class family lost 5 percent of their income — 5 percent of their wages — during that period. At the same time, the costs for health care and college tuitions were skyrocketing. It was the slowest period of job growth since World War II, from 2001 to 2000.
So middle-class families were generally having a very difficult time even before the crisis hit. And obviously the crisis just made things worse. And this is all at a time when we’ve got increased global competition. You’ve got countries like China and India and Brazil that are really moving. They’re educating their kids much more aggressively than they ever were. They are exporting much more than they ever were. And so we’re having to compete at levels that we didn’t have to compete before.
And so part of the reason I ran for President was because I felt it was very important for us to start grappling with some longstanding issues that we’ve been putting off for way too long.
We had to stop a health care system that was broken from bankrupting families and businesses and the federal government, so we initiated health reform so that we could start getting a better bang for our health care dollar.
And it’s estimated that we’ll end up saving over a trillion dollars because we make the system more efficient over time, even though we’re going to be insuring more people.
We had to re-regulate the financial system so we never have a system where we’ve got taxpayer bailouts again. And so we passed financial regulatory reform. We had to transform our education system. And one of the things I’m most proud of, although it hasn’t gotten some of the fanfare that some of these other issues have gotten, is we’ve initiated reforms across the country through a program called Race to the Top where we’re encouraging states to reform how they do business, emphasizing more math, emphasizing more science, making sure that we’ve got the very best teachers in the classroom, making sure that we’re focusing on low-performing schools — because it’s unacceptable where you’ve got schools in which a third of the kids or half of the kids drop out, and even the kids who graduate aren’t graduating at grade level.
We use to be at the top in terms of math and science performance. Now our kids typically rank around 21st in science and 25th in math. That’s just not acceptable.
We used to have the highest proportion of college graduates in the country — now we rank around 12th. And that’s going to affect how we can compete long term, so part of what we did was to shift tens of billions of dollars that were going to subsidies to financial services groups in the direct student loan program, give those dollars directly to students, and we’ve got millions more students who are now getting grants and cheaper student loans.
Now, the other thing that we had to do is we had to confront all these problems — a financial crisis, people losing their jobs, small businesses not getting the financing they need to open or expand their businesses — we had to all do this in the context of a really bad budget.
When Bill Clinton left office, we had a record surplus. We hadn’t had a surplus since World War II. And suddenly by the time I took office, we had a $1.3 trillion deficit. And this was a direct result of some policies that thought only about the present and didn’t think about the future.
So we had tax cuts, mostly for millionaires and billionaires, in 2001 and 2003 that weren’t paid for, and there weren’t the cuts to go with it. So that ballooned the deficit. Then we had two wars that weren’t paid for. That further ballooned the deficit. We had a prescription drug plan that was put into place that cost about $800 billion. That wasn’t paid for. So you add all those things up, by the time I got into office we already had a $1.3 trillion deficit and we had exploded the national debt.
So one of the challenges now that I’ve got, having stabilized the economy but we still need it to grow, we still need small businesses to get help, we still have to help people find work, we want to invest in research and development and technology — we’ve got to do all that but we’ve also got to think, how are we going to get our budget under control over the long term.
And I was amused as I was driving in, there were some signs there that said “cut spending” — which sounds plausible and I know your congressman here I think has strong ideas about what he says he wants to do. Last week, the Republicans put forward what they called a Pledge to America, which purported to say we’re going to cut your taxes and we’re also going to control spending and we’re going to somehow balance the budget. But when you actually looked at the numbers, it was hard to figure out how they all added up.
Now, I’m not a math teacher. (Laughter.) But I know a little bit about math. They’re proposing about $4 trillion worth of tax cuts. About $700 billion of those tax cuts are for people who typically are millionaires and billionaires, and on average would get $100,000 in tax relief — $700 billion that we don’t have, we’d have to borrow in order to provide these tax cuts. And 98 percent of Americans wouldn’t see any benefit from it.
And keep in mind that because we don’t have it, it would actually end up costing more than $700 billion, because we’d end up having — since we’re borrowing it, we’d have to pay interest on it.
Now, just to give you some sense of how they are proposing to pay for this, they’re recommending a 20 percent cut in education spending. They are proposing essentially that we lower our support to students on student loans who want to go to college and grants for students who want to go to college, which would affect millions of students all across the country. They are proposing to roll back tax cuts that we had put in place during the Recovery Act that give 95 percent of working Americans tax relief.
So when you add it all up, essentially their proposal would drastically expand the deficit instead of shrinking it. Now, what they’ll say is, well, we’re going to have additional cuts. But they don’t specify what those cuts would be. And one of the things I’m here to tell you — and then I want to sort of hear from you in terms of what your priorities are — is I’ve got some very smart people working for me in my budget office. But they will tell me that one thing they can’t do is cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans by $700 billion, protect Social Security, protect Medicare, protect veterans funding, and balance the budget. They just can’t do it. The math doesn’t add up.
And so part of the challenge, I think, particularly if we’re thinking about the next generation, is making sure, as we move forward over the next couple of years, that we have an honest and serious conversation about how we’re going to get control of our budget. That is going to be a big challenge.
And the choice that you make in this election I think should be based on facts and making sure that whatever politicians are saying, that they can back it up with some actual figures and numbers that work.
I know that here in Virginia and all across the country, there are a lot of people who are genuinely, legitimately and sincerely concerned about the deficit and the debt. And no matter how much I say to them, well, this really has to do with problems that we inherited, it’s not because of the emergency measures we took last year, their attitude is, okay, but it’s still your job to solve it.
And I think that’s a legitimate point of view. But if you are genuinely and sincerely concerned about debt and deficits, then you have to understand the other side just is not presenting a serious idea of how to balance our budgets and put us on a stable fiscal footing.
What they’re selling is the same thing that they sold back in 2000 and 2001, which is you could slash taxes, including for the wealthiest Americans, and somehow that’s not going to affect anything. And that’s just not how it works. It’s not how it works in your household, right? So it’s not going to work for the country, either. And we’ve got to have an honest conversation about it. All right?
So, with that — I know it’s a little warm in here, but if anybody wants to pull out their fans, feel free. If gentlemen want to take off their jackets, I’m sure nobody will mind. And let’s just open it up for questions and comments.
And as I said, I don’t — it doesn’t have to be a question. You can give me a suggestion. If you’ve got good ideas, I need to hear them.
And we’ll start with this gentleman. Please introduce yourself.
Q Thanks, Mr. President. I manage a small business. We serve ESOP companies — hundreds of ESOP companies. And I’ve just found it extraordinary in visiting many of these ESOP companies with the culture that they’ve developed, and the productivity and competitiveness, and it’s a good model for keeping jobs here in the U.S.
THE PRESIDENT: You want to just explain to everybody what ESOPs are? These are employee-owned businesses — I just want to make sure everybody understands.
Q Exactly, exactly. And I wanted to just — the ESOP laws that have been in place for over 35 years have allowed employee owners to share a piece of the action of the business while not having to get in their — dig in their own pockets for that, so it’s helped them get to retirement, which is tough these days long term.
My main question is just, with your good initiatives — you’re for focusing on small business in the new act — will you consider encouraging or expanding the law to help more small privately held companies look to the ESOP model? Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: I would absolutely be interested in taking a look at it. The idea behind these ESOPs is that if employees have a piece of the action — they’re essentially shareholders in these companies — then you are aligning the interests of workers with the interests of the company as a whole.
Now, what that means is, is that when a company has a tough time, workers have to take a hit because they’re owners, essentially. On the other hand, when things are going well, they’re getting a share of the profits. And so theoretically, at least, it’s something that can help grow companies, because the workers feel like they’re working for themselves, and they’re putting more of themselves into their job each and every day.
I think that it’s something that can be encouraged. I have not seen specific proposals that are out there legislatively, but I’m sure you can share them with me.
Q Yes, there actually has been a lot of strong research recently.
THE PRESIDENT: Good. So I’ll be interested in taking a look at that stuff.
Let me say something more generally about small businesses. As part of the Recovery Act, we actually cut taxes for small businesses eight different ways. And I make mention of that because — and then I just signed a bill this week on Monday, before I went on the road, that further cuts taxes for small businesses, including eliminating capital gains for investments in startup businesses, making sure that small businesses can invest in inventory or in plant and equipment now and be able to take these deductions now so it gives them an incentive to start investing earlier on.
We have provided tax breaks for small companies who are providing health insurance to their employees because typically it’s — small businesses are the hardest folks to be able to provide health insurance because they — they’re not part of a big pool. And what we’ve said is, let’s give them a tax break — they can get up to a third of the premiums that they’re paying for their employees as a credit so that it’s just cheaper for them to provide health insurance.
So I wanted to point that out because somehow there’s a myth out there I think that we have raised taxes on small businesses. If you listened to the other side, you’d be thinking, boy, Obama is just trying to crush small businesses with these high taxes. We’ve lowered taxes on small businesses over the last two years. In fact, we’ve lowered taxes on just about everybody over these last two years. And — but when you look at the polls, there’s a decent number of folks who still think that somehow their taxes have gone up instead of gone down.
And that debate is going to be coming to a head now. I mentioned this $700 billion in tax cuts that they want to provide to the top 2 percent. We’re in danger of seeing lapse tax breaks that everybody here probably is getting on their paychecks every two weeks. A lot of people didn’t notice that they were getting a tax break because we did it incrementally, paycheck — it wasn’t in one lump sum; it was like each paycheck you had a little bit less taken out in taxes. That’s going to lapse if we don’t renew it and the proposal — the Republicans are proposing to eliminate it.
So this is an example of where we’ve got to know what the facts are in order to make sure that the broadest base of people are getting the broadest base of help.
Q President Obama, my name is Dan Ream. I’m a librarian at Virginia Commonwealth University here in Richmond, the state’s largest public university.
THE PRESIDENT: We love libraries.
Q We thank you. Libraries love the love. (Laughter.) VCU, where I work, has benefited tremendously from your stimulus program. In fact, there are countless librarians, faculty and staff members there who have their jobs today thanks to the stimulus program. So thank you for that. It’s very important to us.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Q My son, by the way, is a student at Davidson College. He is a swim coach here at the Southampton swim team, and he is in Madrid today. And he said, this is the most exciting thing that has ever happened on my street and I’m out of the country. (Laughter.) So, Dad and Mom, would you ask my question?
THE PRESIDENT: Okay, go ahead.
Q May I?
THE PRESIDENT: Although I have to say being in Madrid is not that bad. (Laughter.)
Q It’s not.
THE PRESIDENT: I mean, that’s a pretty good deal. (Laughter.)
Q He loves it. Anyway, this is from Paul Ream, who is probably watching this on TV somewhere in Madrid.
THE PRESIDENT: Good.
Q His question is this: In this public discussion of the economic crisis and in the nation’s political discourse in general, I feel like Democrats have lost hold of the populist attitude and rhetoric that truly embody the party’s foundations.
Our swim team community here at Southampton provides a wonderful example of that attitude. Like politics, it’s a sport that focuses on individual performance. But what leads to success is a team-oriented, sportsmanlike approach. Respect for each other and respect for one’s opponents are key to the success. And I think those are important elements of the Democratic Party.
With that in mind, what are the ways we can change the dialogue to really emphasis this? Doing what’s best for the people is not characterized by doing what’s best for some individuals at the cost of others, which is the interpretation of some citizens today, especially with regard to the economy. How can we reframe the debate and really highlight the respectful and sportsmanlike nature of policies directed at benefiting the American people as a whole?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, that’s a pretty good question.
Q It’s from Paul Ream.
THE PRESIDENT: I like that. (Laughter.) And you read it very well, too. So I’m sure he’ll –
Q Thank you. I have my own question, too, if we have time.
THE PRESIDENT: — he’ll be very happy with your presentation.
Q Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: Look, I think he makes a terrific point, and I’ve tried to make this point in most of my speeches when I talk about the economy. Part of what makes America the greatest country on earth and what has made our economy the envy of the world for the last hundred years is that we combine this incredible sense of individual freedom and entrepreneurship and the profit motive and dynamic capitalism so that if you’ve got a good idea, if you want to start a whitewater rafting company or you want to open a new restaurant because you’ve got this great recipe, you can do it. And you don’t have to go through a lot of bureaucracy, and you don’t have to pay a bribe. And that is the wellspring of our wealth and how well we do.
Now, at the same time, part of what our strength has been is what we do in concert, in common, just like a team. Dwight Eisenhower built the Interstate Highway System. Nobody individually could build a highway system. So we pool our resources together to build the highway system, and that then provides opportunity and a platform for businesses to grow and prosper.
The Internet was direct — a direct result of a investment in research and science, through the government, that created the initial platforms that evolved into the Internet. And now there are all kinds of Internet companies that are starting, and you’ve got Facebook, and — a lot of wealth has been generated, a lot of jobs have been created. But those individual initiatives couldn’t have happened if we hadn’t made that initial investment, through our government, in the resources and development, because there was no sure thing. It wasn’t like there was money to be made tooling around with these computers, trying to figure out how to communicate with each other more efficiently.
Clean energy is a good example as we move forward. Right now all of us would benefit if we had a cleaner, more efficient energy policy in this country. But nobody individually has that much incentive to do it. The oil companies — they’ve got tons of money, but they’re making tons of money by selling oil. And the more oil they sell, the better off they’re going to be. So they’re not making huge investments in solar or wind or biodiesel.
A lot of people I think would benefit from retrofitting their homes or their buildings or hospitals. But it turns out that even though they’ll recoup their money, they might not be able to afford up front to make the investment without some help. And so they don’t do it, which means that we probably use 30 percent more energy because we’ve got buildings that are poorly insulated or poorly designed. And it would make sense for us to help small businesses and individuals make that investment.
If we gave them some loans on the front end, then all of us would benefit, and individually each of us would benefit. But the point is, is that Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President, I think had it right. He basically said, we should never do things for people that they can do for themselves. But government’s role is to do what people can’t do better by themselves — whether it’s our collective defense, whether it’s our firefighters, whether it’s our libraries, whether it is our infrastructure or investments in research and development.
And I think that that’s part of what the choice we’re making in this election and over the next several years is going to be: Are we still able to make those decisions together about how to move the country forward, or are we each going to just be looking out for ourselves, in which case, what’s going to happen is, is that if you’ve got enough money that you an afford to live in a gated community, then you don’t have to worry about police. If you can afford to have private schools, then you don’t have to worry about public schools.
But over time what happens is, as a group, we’re going to get poorer, even though some people do very well. All right?
Q Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Yes.
Q Hello, Mr. President. I’m a teacher at Albert Hill Middle.
THE PRESIDENT: What do you teach?
Q I teach civics. I teach eighth graders.
THE PRESIDENT: This is a good thing. You’ll be able to tell your class tomorrow that you –
Q Yes. Actually, I have some questions –
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, no –
Q — that I would love to give to you from my students.
THE PRESIDENT: All right. I will try to respond to some of them.
Q Okay. Especially if you can send a picture and some autographs to them.
THE PRESIDENT: Okay. (Laughter.) All right, sounds good.
Q I’m from a education family — my mother is a teacher, my husband is a teacher also for the city at Thomas Jefferson High School, and I’m a mother of three. And the main focus has been on the middle class and the poor, but what about working-class families? They seem to be on the fringe, not able to get a lot of these incentives and other programs of help. Childcare is a major issue. Education for our children. Proper nutrition — being able to afford proper food is an issue for working families. What is the government going to do for that?
And then I also have another question, if I could ask about the education reforms that you’re going to do. A lot of my students are concerned about those education reforms and they would like some explanations about how is an extended day and how is going to school for an extra month going to make them more competitive in the global world.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me take the second question first, because I want to be clear — I haven’t passed a law that everybody has got to go to school for an extra month. I was asked about this on the Today Show and I made the observation, which is absolutely true, that most of our competitors, most other advanced countries, have their kids go to school about a month longer every year than we do. The three-month summer is a direct result of public schools having been started when most of us still lived on farms, and so you took three months off because you had to help on the harvest.
But there’s nothing written in stone that says we’ve got to have the organization, the school year the way we have it. There is a — studies show that kids lose something during that three-month period. Poorer kids lose more during that three-month period because they may not have as many books at home, supplemental activities. They may not be going to the museum or on field trips during the summer. And so they tend to lose more of what they’ve learned. And that’s part of what contributes probably to the achievement gap and them falling behind.
So I think it’s important for states to look at what they’re doing and finding ways that potentially kids don’t lose ground compared to kids in China or South Korea or other parts of the country.
Now, it’s going to cost some money if we decide to make the school year longer because teachers and custodial workers, that means that they’re in — they’re working even longer than they’re already working. And so we’d have to make some choices budgetarily.
Keep in mind, though, that this is why the choice in this election is so important. I’ll give you an example. During just a couple months ago, we had a debate in the House of Representatives. The Democrats decided to — because they were worried about states laying off teachers, decided to close a corporate tax loophole that actually incentivized investment overseas instead of investment here in the United States. So they decided to close one of these loopholes.
And that saved enough money to send several billions of dollars to the states so that they could keep their workforce intact. This is at a time, by the way, where there are states like Hawaii that had gone down to a four-day a week school week because they couldn’t afford to pay teachers for the fifth day.
Now, I promise you we can’t compete against other countries if our kids are going to school four days a week. We can’t compete if teachers are being laid off and classrooms get more crowded and teachers are having to dig more into their pockets for basic supplies in their classroom.
But when we had this proposal, we could not get any Republicans to support this position. And they had the usual rhetoric about Obama’s trying to kill business and raise taxes, et cetera. No, we’re just trying to make sure that we’re making investments in the long term for our kids, which will be good for business — because businesses in this country aren’t going to succeed if we don’t have engineers and scientists developing new products and so forth.
So I don’t want to lose the votes of all your kids by saying that they need to be in school another month. (Laughter.) I do think that we have to have a debate, state by state in local school districts, about making sure what we can do to ensure our kids keep up.
Now, in terms of the issue that you raised about sort of middle class versus poor versus working class, my attitude is that everybody who is working hard, who’s meeting their responsibilities, trying to raise a family, trying to send their kids to college, trying to retire with dignity and respect, trying to get health care — those folks — that’s what it means to be middle class in this country.
This is who Michelle and I came from. I mean, I was raised by a single mom. I lived most of my formative years in an apartment that probably was smaller than this room right here, living with my grandparents, and sometimes when my mother was — when I was living with her, it definitely was an apartment smaller than this.
Michelle, her dad worked as a blue-collar worker for the City of Chicago. And he had multiple sclerosis, but he never missed a day of work. He never graduated from college. Her mom never graduated from college. And yet somehow they were able to — both of our families were able to give us the best education in the world, and we grew up to be President and First Lady.
Now, that’s what the American Dream is about. So I don’t make a distinction between middle class, working class, poor folks who are trying to get into the middle class. As long as you’re working hard, trying to meet your responsibilities, trying to better yourself and your family, that’s what the American Dream is about.
All the policies that we’ve put in place have been designed to help those folks. So if you are a working family, whether you’re making — your family income is $100,000 a year or $50,000 a year or $30,000 a year, if you’ve got a kid with a preexisting condition and you can’t get health insurance, because of health reform that child is going to be able to get insurance. And if you can’t afford it because your boss doesn’t offer health insurance, you’re going to be able to be part of a big pool and buy the same health insurance that members of Congress get.
Regardless of where you fall on that income spectrum, if you’ve got a credit card, then the new financial reform bill says credit card companies can’t jack up your interest rates without letting you know. And they can’t increase your interest rates on your existing balances. They can’t run a bait-and-switch and say you’re on — this is a zero percent interest credit card, then you get $5,000 on your credit card, and you get a letter saying suddenly interest is 29 percent. Can’t do that.
Mortgage brokers can’t steer you into interest rates on buying a house that are more expensive than what you could have gotten because they’re getting a kickback.
A lot of the consumer protections that we put in place, they affect everybody out here.
The student loan programs that we put into place, that impacts families across the board, because, again, whether you’re making $100,000 or $50,000 or $30,000, if you’re trying to send your kid to college, they’re going to probably have to take out some debt. And what we did to take billions of dollars that were going to banks in unjustified subsidies and us saying, no, we’re going to give that money directly to young people in the form of more grants or cheaper loans, capping how much they’re going to have to repay in college to 10 percent of their income — that helps everybody.
So I think that that — what will make our economy grow is if this beating heart of our economy, middle-class folks who are working hard, pushing to improve their lot in life, if they’re given some hands up to help them get to where they want to go, then I think our economy as a whole will do well.
Okay. Yes, sir.
Q I’d like to ask you about a local and regional issue — the James River that runs through Richmond here and the Chesapeake Bay into which it goes. The Perrys depend on the James River to make a living with their outfitting company. Your EPA has very thankfully initiated a wonderful effort to finally clean up all the waters that enter the Chesapeake Bay.
However, our state government is resisting playing its part, whereas going ahead with this cleanup would create thousands of private sector jobs as well as the benefits from clean water and better fish. They’re saying that we can’t afford to do this in this economy, when actually doing it would be the kind of thing that would help the economy and our waters recover. Do you have anything to say about that?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I agree with you, and I’ll pass on your suggestions to Mr. McDonnell — (laughter) — because — look, the point you make I think is important as sort of a general point, which is for a long time we tended to think of the environment in conflict with the economy, right? The notion was clean air, clean water is nice to have, but if it comes down to it, it’s more important that we have jobs.
The point you’re making is that clean air and clean water can improve the economy and create new jobs if we think about it in creative ways. And that’s part of the argument that I’ve been making about clean energy.
Let me give you an example. When I came into office, we were producing about 2 percent of the advanced batteries that are used in hybrid cars and electric cars — 2 percent of the market. And we were probably just barely hanging on. Eventually, if you only got 2 percent of the market, you’re going to end up with zero percent of the market.
So what we did was we said as part of the Recovery Act, let’s invest in a Made in America, homegrown battery manufacturing effort. And we now have across the country people working in factories making advanced batteries that are going into American-made cars, because what we also did at the same time was we raised fuel-efficiency standards on cars and trucks for the first time in 30 years. We didn’t do that, by the way, through legislation. We actually got autoworkers and auto companies and environmentalists and all the stakeholders to agree on raising fuel-efficiency standards nationally. So it didn’t get a lot of attention, because there wasn’t a big ruckus in Washington, we just did it.
And so automakers now want to make more fuel-efficient cars, and we now have the advanced battery manufacturing here in the United States to take advantage of that new market. We estimate that by 2015, we’re going to have 40 percent of the advanced battery market.
So you’ve got a homegrown manufacturing industry here in the United States, putting people to work in good jobs and good wages. But that wouldn’t have happened if there wasn’t a market for clean cars.
That’s one of these guy’s — one of those mics is going off, so I think we’re good. (Laughter.)
But I want everybody to understand there are going to be some times where we do have to make some choices. I mean, coal is a good example, where — coal is a dirty-burning fuel, and mining coal can often be environmentally really destructive, particularly to rivers and waterways. On the other hand, we’ve got tons of coal. We’re the Saudi Arabia of coal.
So what I’ve said is, well, let’s invest in research and development to see if we can burn coal cleanly. And if we have regulations that provide incentives for coal companies to burn coal cleanly and mine coal cleanly, they’ll adapt and they’ll start using new technologies, and that will create a more future-oriented growth industry.
But a lot of folks resisted. Their attitude is, well, no, we don’t want to change anything. We just want to keep on doing what we’ve been doing.
Sooner or later, the world passes you by. China, India, Japan — all these countries are all thinking about new ways to find clean energy. And if we’re not the ones who get there first in terms of figuring this stuff out, then they’re the ones who are going to get the jobs of the future. And I don’t want them to get those jobs. I want us to have those jobs right here in the United States.
So, yes, sir.
Q My name is Bob — I’m retired.
THE PRESIDENT: Here, Bob, why don’t you grab a mic, although you’ve got a good strong voice.
Q And I had one question for you regarding interest rates. The federal government’s current policy seems to be to keep interest rates at a historical low level. The impact this has on retired seniors is the loss of income they receive on interest on CDs and IRAs. When do you see this policy changing so rates can get back to more normal levels?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I just want to make clear the administration doesn’t make decisions on interest rates. The Federal Reserve makes decisions on interest rates. And so the — they really are an independent agency. I have to be very careful when I have a conversation with Ben Bernanke, the head of the Federal Reserve. I can talk generally about the economy, but I can’t tell him “lower or jack up interest rates.” So I want to make that clear.
But your general point I think is an important one. Interest rates are at a historic low because that was part of the way to avoid us tipping into a depression. By keeping interest rates very low, that meant that businesses that had seen consumer demand really shrink were still able to service their debt and to keep their doors open. And so it was the right thing to do to keep interest rates low.
You are absolutely right that that does have an adverse impact on savers, and particularly seniors on fixed incomes because they’re not getting as much of a return on their savings. The flip side of it is, though, is that inflation is also at a historic low. And so in terms of actual purchasing power, inflation is still low enough that savers are not losing a whole lot of money; they’re just not seeing sort of the compounded interest expand their nest egg like it once did.
I think that you will see a return to higher, more normal interest rates when the economy gets stronger; you naturally start seeing more inflation than you’re currently seeing. And when that happens, that will I think change the position of the Federal Reserve Bank. But as I said, this is not — this is one of those areas — the President has got a lot of power, a lot of juice. This is not one area where he’s got juice.
Q What about the over 70 1/2 mandatory deduction you have to take from your savings, IRA savings? Last year you changed it — we didn’t have to do it.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, we did that temporarily as part of an effort because we understood that people were really going through a tough time and might have to dip into savings. We wanted to make sure they weren’t penalized for it.
Q But we’re still doing that.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, the — well, things don’t always get through Congress the way you want them. But we’re going to be working on this. We’re going to have to examine a lot of these issues moving forward as part of how we think about simplifying the tax code, making it fairer, and also making sure that folks in fixed incomes aren’t harmed in this environment where it’s harder and harder to save for retirement. So thank you for the question.
Q Mr. President, my name is –
THE PRESIDENT: Well, hold on a second, though — just because — I’ll get to you, but this gentleman had his hand up first. Or somebody over here did. It was over here.
Q President Obama, I’m a small business owner, and one thing for sure about small business owner — tremendously busy.
THE PRESIDENT: What kind of business are you in?
Q It’s an arborist firm, tree care. And get home at night, I feel like now I’m one of the few Americans who doesn’t think he can watch a little bit of cable TV and tell everything you know about how to run the economy. (Laughter.)
I don’t have time to watch it. It’s over my head. A good percentage of what we talk about here, the economy, I know I’m too busy working to understand how to tell you how to fix the economy.
So what I like to do is elect an official and send him to Washington and have all you smart guys figure that out. Returning to Dan’s question that we didn’t get all the way through, and a young person can recognize it, and I certainly recognize it trying to build team in small business — is there hope for us returning to civility in our discourse to healthy legislative process to something that I can trust, so as I strap on the boots again tomorrow morning I know you guys got it under control? Because I’m not smart enough to fix it. I’d love to send you guys to Washington and have you do it. And it’s hard to have that faith right now.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, the — first of all, I think you give everybody too much credit when you say everybody in Washington is smart guys. (Laughter.) I — we might dispute that.
But you’re making such a powerful point. I think a lot of people were inspired by our campaign because we tried to maintain a very civil tone throughout the campaign. And part of my agenda was changing Washington, right? I mean, I came into national notice when I made a speech in Boston talking about there aren’t red states and blue states, there’s the United States of America. I believe that so profoundly.
I will tell you that changing the culture in Washington is very hard, and I’ve seen it these last two years, because I think that folks in Washington tend to think about how to stay in power more than they think about how to solve problems.
Now, if you look at what happened over the course of these last two years — and look, I’m sure I made some mistakes — but essentially what happened was the other side made a calculated decision. They said, “You know what, we really got beat in 2008 bad. The economy is a mess. It’s probably going to take us a while to dig our way out of it. We’ve got two choices. One choice would be to cooperate with the President and work with him to kind of solve these problems, in which case if things don’t work, we get to share the blame, and if things do work, he gets all the credit, and he’ll stay in power.”
So just from a pure political calculation, they said, “We’re better off just saying no to everything, blocking everything. If things don’t work, then Obama will get all the blame. And if things get a little bit better, we won’t be any worse off than we would have been.” That I think was the political calculation.
Now, I have to give them credit — that from just a raw political point of view, it’s been a pretty successful strategy, right? Because right now people are frustrated. All the good feeling that we had coming into the campaign is dissipated. Everybody is thinking to themselves, well, gosh, you know, we sent Obama up there, we thought the tone would change, folks are arguing just as much as they were before, so we’ve kind of lost hope and we’re a little discouraged, and that means a lot of the people who were supporting me may stay — are talking about maybe just staying home in the election. And meanwhile, the other side is all ginned up — we can take power back.
I think that the only way this is going to change is if the same folks who supported me in 2008 — not just Democrats, but independents and Republicans who want to see the country move forward — if they don’t sit on the sidelines, they don’t give up, you don’t give up, but you say I’m going to keep on looking for folks who are trying to offer serious solutions to problems. And, you know, we don’t expect our elected officials to be perfect but we do expect them to be honest and real with us about what we’re going to do about education or what we’re going to do about energy or what we’re going to do about this problem or that problem.
And I’ve just got to assume that if people more and more insist and demand on that kind of attitude and are willing to punish folks when they go over the top, whether it’s on the left or the right, in being not so civil, that eventually politicians adapt because they start saying to themselves, well, you know what, this is what voters want.
Now, there’s one last aspect of this that makes it tough and that is the media has gotten very splintered. So what happens is these cable shows and these talk show hosts, they figure — a lot of them have figured out, the more controversial I can be, if I’m going out there and I’m calling Obama this name or that name or saying he wasn’t born in this country or — that will get me attention. I will then write a book, I’ll go and sell it, I get — right?
And there are folks on the left who do the same thing, trying to be purposely provocative, saying the meanest, nastiest things you can say about the other side. They get rewarded in the way our media is set up right now.
So part of the challenge is figuring out how to create a space for people saying we’re all Americans and we’re just going to try to solve our problems, and we’re going to have some differences, because some of these issues are hard — is there a way where those voices get heard, because right now they’re not really getting heard.
I was amused — Jon Stewart, the host of “The Daily Show,” apparently he is going to host a rally called something like Americans in Favor of a Return to Sanity or something like that. And his point was, you know, 70 percent of the people, it doesn’t matter what their political affiliation are, 70 percent of the folks are just like you, which is they’re going about their business, they’re working hard every day, they’re looking after their families. They don’t go around calling people names. They don’t make stuff up. They may not be following every single issue, because they just don’t have time. But they are just expecting some common sense and some courtesy in how people interact. And having those voices lifted up is really important. So hopefully, since they’ve got a whole bunch of cameras here, somebody was just listening to you.
Q We’re counting on you, because if you can’t do it, I’m not sure who is going to.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I appreciate that.
Q So my wife and I are counting on you.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you so much. It means a lot. All right, you get — I’m going to have to make this the last question. Go ahead.
Q Okay, lucky me. Mr. President, I’m the President of a very small community bank locally. And my question is this. Do you believe that our country, our nation, is stronger as a result of your leadership, having been elected President? And the reason I ask this question is, I was reading earlier today that the consumer confidence index is down almost to the lowest point this year in the last September reading. And the expectations index is also trending downward. And I wonder if you think our nation is strong — which I would hope you do — the question is, what is the disconnect between consumers’ perception of the nation, of our economy, and yours?
THE PRESIDENT: Right. Well, it’s a great question. There is no doubt in my mind that the country is stronger now than it was a year ago. And so the policies we put in place have reversed a contracting economy. It’s now growing.
As I said before, we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month; now each month we’re adding jobs in the private sector.
Businesses are very profitable, which is why the stock market has actually recovered a lot of its value is because companies are making a profit. But I think that the reason there is a disconnect has to do with a couple of things. Number one, it’s the point that — I’m sorry, what was your name?
THE PRESIDENT: The point that Scott made. I think people just — it seems like everybody is out there yelling at each other and angry, and so that kind of is disquieting. It makes people feel like the country just is pulling apart as opposed to coming together.
And then that adds to an atmosphere — oops — remember I talked energy-efficient buildings, we got to — (laughter.) So I think that’s part of it. But obviously the most important part of it is just that people are still hurting economically. Even though things have gotten modestly better, you’ve still got millions of people out there who are out of a job.
You’ve still got hundreds of thousands of folks out there who are losing their homes. I hear from them every day in settings like this. I hear from them because I get letters every night from folks who are asking me, why aren’t we seeing faster progress in terms of the economy picking up.
And so, you know, this has been now — this was the longest recession and the deepest recession by far that we’ve experienced since the Great Depression. Basically, unless you were of age during the Great Depression, folks have never seen anything like this.
So understandably, people are nervous. And I think those two things combine because if you don’t have confidence that the country can pull together and you know that the problems are hard to solve and you know that we’ve got competition from China and India and Brazil and Europe, then you start thinking, well, maybe we’re not going to be the same land of opportunity 20 years from now or 30 years from now as we were. And I think even people who are doing okay right now are anxious about the future of the country.
And I guess my response then to people is to say, look, in our own individual lives each of us go through times where it just seems like we get — it feels like we get some bad breaks or we make some mistakes, something happens in our life where we’re kind of in a hole. And the deeper the hole sometimes the harder it is to muster up the energy and the go-get-’em attitude to be able to climb out of it.
But if you persist — at least I’ve found in my life and I’m sure everybody here has found in their lives — if you persist, if you stay with it, if you have a positive attitude that doesn’t ignore problems but says, “I can solve these problems, as long as I apply myself, and if something doesn’t work I don’t brood on the fact that it doesn’t work; I’m going to try something different. But I’m just going to keep my eye on a better future,” then eventually you get out of the hole. You figure it out. And America has always done that. We’ve been in tough times before, but we’ve always figured it out. Eventually — this isn’t the first time we’ve had such contentious politics. I mean, shoot, I was — some people may remember when Bill Clinton was President, folks were going nuts, calling him names, and Hillary names, and frankly, when Ronald Reagan was President, the first couple of years, they were — the economy went through a very tough time.
And even though now everybody remembers him as a great communicator, at the time, everybody was saying, “Oh, the country is falling apart.” We had inflation and high unemployment. But we got our way — we found our way through it.
And I think we’ll find our way through this as well. We’re just going to have to be persistent. And the one thing I think everybody has to admit about me, even my detractors, is I’m stubborn. I just — I stay with it. And I’m not going to lose heart about this country because I know what this country has given to me in my own life.
This is the only country in the world where somebody born in my circumstances could stand before you as the President of the United States — or as the President of their country. There’s no other country that can provide that kind of opportunity. And if that was true for me, that’s going to be true for the next generation. But we’re just going to have to keep on pushing. And being with families like all of yours gives me great confidence in the future.
So thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it. (Applause.)