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GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES DEBATE

OCTOBER 26, 2010

MINNESOTA STATE UNIVERSITY-MANKATO

MANKATO, MINNESOTA

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>> GOOD EVENING, FELLOW MINNESOTANS, LISTENERS AND

VIEWERS AROUND THE STATE, MEMBERS OF THE UNIVERSITY 2

COMMUNITY AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, STUDENTS.

MY NAME IS TOM WILLIAMS AND I’M THE PRESIDENT OF THE

MINNESOTA STATE STUDENT ASSOCIATION.

ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, THE FELLOW LEADERS BESIDE ME, THE

STUDENT ASSOCIATION, AND MINNESOTA STATE

UNIVERSITY-MANKATO, I WELCOME YOU TO OUR CAMPUS ON THIS

FALL EVENING FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS –

OF OUR GREAT STATE.

MINNESOTA STATE UNIVERSITY-MANKATO, IS A GREAT

UNIVERSITY THAT FOR OVER 140 YEARS HAS BEEN SERVING

MINNESOTA, THE NATION AND THE WORLD.

MINNESOTA STATE PRIDES ITSELF ON BEING A PLACE WHERE

LEARNING PRODUCES BIG IDEAS AND REAL-WORLD THINKING.

OUR GREAT STATE FACES DIFFICULT CHALLENGES, SO TONIGHT,

I ASK THE CANDIDATES, MUCH LIKE HOW THE UNIVERSITY ASKS

US STUDENTS, TO TAKE THEIR BIG IDEAS AND COUPLE IT WITH

REAL-WORLD THINKING, COMBINING THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND

PASSION TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA GO FURTHER THAN

THEY AND THIS STATE EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE.

OUR MODERATORS TONIGHT ARE JOE SPEAR AND BILL

SALISBURY.

TONIGHT, PLEASE HELP ME WELCOME GUBERNATORIAL

CANDIDATES, TOM EMMER, MARK DAYTON AND TOM HORNER TO
M.S.U.

[ Applause ] 3

>> Moderator: GOOD EVENING.

I’M JOE SPEAR, EDITOR OF THE “MANKATO FREE PRESS” HERE

TONIGHT WITH BILL SALISBURY FROM THE St. PAUL

“PIONEER PRESS”.

ON BEHALF OF THE DEBATE MINNESOTA FOUNDATION, WE

WELCOME YOU TO TONIGHT’S GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE.

>> DEBATE MINNESOTA SUPPORTERS ARE FROM DIFFERENT

BACKGROUNDS AND POLITICAL PERSUASIONS, SOME ARE WITH US

TONIGHT IN THE AUDIENCE.

THEY ALL SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF NEGATIVE

ADVERTISING, MONEY IN POLITICS, AND THE LACK OF

CIVILITY IN POLITICAL DISCOURSE.

DEBATE MINNESOTA PROPOSES WE TAKE A LESSON FROM ABRAHAM

LINCOLN AND STEPHEN DOUGLAS AND CARRY OUR ISSUES BACK

TO THE PUBLIC SQUARE WHERE THE REAL POWER LIES IN THIS

NATION, WITH THE PEOPLE, AND AS WITH THE FAMOUS

LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATES OF 1858, WE BELIEVE THAT THE

BEST WAY TO RESTORE CIVILITY IN THE ELECTION PROCESS IS

THROUGH SUBSTANTIVE, CONTENT-BASED DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN

CANDIDATES, THE PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITIES.

WE’LL BEGIN OUR DEBATE WITH TWO-MINUTE OPENING

STATEMENTS BY THE CANDIDATES.

THEY HAVE DRAWN NUMBERS TO DETERMINE THE ORDER.
EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES WITH A ONE-MINUTE

FOLLOW-UP. 4

THE ORDER WILL ROTATE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.

EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A

ONE-MINUTE CLOSING STATEMENT.

WE THANK OUR STUDENT TIMEKEEPERS TONIGHT FOR HELPING US

KEEP ON SCHEDULE AND ON TRACK.

WE WISH TO REMIND YOU NOW TO HOLD ANY FURTHER APPLAUSE

UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE.

OUR FIRST OPENING STATEMENT GOES TO Mr. EMMER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU WANT US TO STAND OR YOU WANT US TO STAY SEATED?

ALL RIGHT.

THAT MEANS SEATED, I THINK.

[ Laughter ]

THANK YOU, MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO, AND THANK YOU TO

DEBATE MINNESOTA AND EVERYBODY WHO’S TAKEN TIME TO SHOW

UP AND BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.

IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE RUNNING FOR THE

OFFICE OF GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, AND I

REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF

TO YOU TONIGHT WITH THESE FINE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE UP

HERE WITH ME.

BRIEFLY, WE ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR THE INTRODUCTION,

I’LL GIVE YOU IS THIS.
THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE OF GOVERNOR

IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA BUT THERE ARE ONLY TWO 5

MESSAGES.

ON THE ONE SIDE, MY COLLEAGUES BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO

RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NEW TAXES.

THEY ARGUE THAT IF WE DON’T RAISE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

OF NEW TAXES, WE MUST CUT SERVICES.

I DISAGREE WITH THEM COMPLETELY.

I BELIEVE THAT IT’S TIME FOR US TO GET CONTROL OF THE

OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING, START TO REDESIGN THE DELIVERY

SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SO THAT WE CAN DELIVER THE

SERVICES THAT CITIZENS IN THIS STATE EXPECT GOVERNMENT

TO DELIVER IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER POSSIBLE, AND

THEN WE HAVE TO REDUCE TAXES AND STREAMLINE REGULATIONS

TO START GROWING JOBS AGAIN IN THIS STATE.

BRIEFLY, THE DISCUSSION I HOPE TO HAVE TONIGHT IS THAT

THE NEXT GOVERNOR AND THE NEXT LEGISLATURE IN THIS

STATE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE MORE TO SPEND.

OUR GENERAL REVENUES ARE EXPECTED TO GROW 7 TO 8%.

SIMPLY PUT, WE EXPECT GOVERNMENT TO PURCHASE THE

SERVICES THAT PEOPLE EXPECT WITHIN THE 7 TO 8% OF NEW

REVENUE, IN OTHER WORDS, LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS, AND AND

WE NEED TO START GROWING GOVERNMENT — GROWING JOBS

AGAIN IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A GOOD AND SPIRITED DISCUSSION.

[ Applause ] 6

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

NO CLAPPING.

SORRY, I HAVE TO IMPOSE THE RULE RIGHT AWAY, NO

CLAPPING, THANK YOU.

Mr. HORNER, YOU’RE NEXT.

TWO MINUTES.

>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I WANT TO THANK

SENATOR DAYTON AND REPRESENTATIVE EMMER FOR JOINING ME

IN YET ANOTHER DEBATE, AND THANK ALL OF YOU FOR

ATTENDING.

YOU KNOW, WHEN FORMER GOVERNORS ARNE CARLSON, AL QUIE,

JESSE VENTURA ENDORSED ME, THEY ALL SAID THE SAME

THING, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTIONS

THAT THEY CAN REMEMBER.

AND THEY CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION BECAUSE THEY REALLY

BELIEVE THAT MINNESOTANS NOW HAVE REJECTED THE POLICY

OF NO NEW TAXES.

WE’RE NOT GOING TO RETURN THAT POLICY TO THE GOVERNOR’S

OFFICE IN 2010, AND I THINK MINNESOTA VOTERS HAVE MADE

THAT DECISION.

THE QUESTION IN THIS ELECTION IS WHETHER WE’RE GOING TO

SWING THAT POLITICAL PENDULUM ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT.

WILL WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN A TAX SYSTEM THAT,
FRANKLY, DOESN’T WORK VERY WELL?

AND WE CAN CALL IT TAX THE RICH, WE CAN CALL IT 7

WHATEVER WE WANT.

IT’S A TAX SYSTEM THAT IS RAISING PROPERTY TAXES AND

RAISING INCOME TAXES, AND IT’S NOT WORKING VERY WELL.

OR, WILL WE SETTLE ON THE MIDDLE?

WILL WE TAKE A COURSE THAT PROMOTES INNOVATION, THAT

SAYS WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE TAX, CHANGE THE WAY

WE SPEND.

WE CAN’T AFFORD THE STATUS QUO.

EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER, ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, IN

MINNESOTA HAS ENDORSED ME, AND THEY’VE DONE IT BECAUSE

THEY’VE SAID THAT I’M THE CHANCE, I’M THE OPPORTUNITY

TO BREAK THE GRIDLOCK IN MINNESOTA.

I’M THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE STATE TO THE FUTURE.

INNOVATION ISN’T GOING TO COME FROM ALL OF THE SPECIAL

INTERESTS ON THE LEFT ANY MORE THAN IT’S GOING TO COME

FROM THE SPECIAL INTERESTS ON THE RIGHT.

MINNESOTA SHOULDN’T BE FOR SALE.

YET, THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THIS LAST WEEK OF THE

CAMPAIGN, WHERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NATIONAL MONEY

ARE COMING INTO THE STATE.

I HAVEN’T ACCEPTED PAC DOLLARS.

I HAVEN’T ACCEPTED OUTSIDE CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE I

BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A GOVERNOR WHO STARTS WITH THE
ABILITY TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.

THAT’S WHERE OUR FUTURE IS GOING TO COME FROM. 8

I HAVE THE PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.

I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU

THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

Mr. DAYTON, YOUR TURN, TWO MINUTES.

>> I WANT TO THANK MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO, THE ALMA

MATER OF MY TERRIFIC CAMPAIGN MANAGER, DANA ANDERSON,

AND DEBATE MINNESOTA FOR HOSTING THIS, OUR 27th

DEBATE.

THIS IS AN ELECTION THAT’S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF

MINNESOTA AND IT’S ABOUT YOUR FUTURE.

IT’S ABOUT PUTTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK ALL OVER

MINNESOTA, AND I BRING THE EXPERIENCE OF SERVING TWICE

AS MINNESOTA’S COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CORNERSTONES TO OUR ECONOMIC

SUCCESS IN THE PAST AS IT WILL BE AGAIN IN THE FUTURE

IS THE BEST POSSIBLE EDUCATION SYSTEM.

SO WHEN I LEARNED THAT MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO HAD TO

ELIMINATE 92 POSITIONS AND ONE OF THE STUDENTS WITH

WHOM WE JUST SPOKE CAN’T GRADUATE ON TIME BECAUSE OF

LACK OF COURSE OFFERINGS BECAUSE OF THOSE CUTS, I KNOW

THAT WE’RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THE
FUTURE OF OUR STATE.

SO WITH K-12 EDUCATION, OVERCROWDED CLASSROOMS, 9

FOUR-DAY SCHOOL WEEKS, IN A STATE OF MINNESOTA WHERE WE

VALUE PUBLIC EDUCATION, WHERE WE KNOW HOW VITALLY

IMPORTANT IT IS.

MY PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE TAXES ON THE WEALTHIEST

MINNESOTANS, ASK THEM TO PAY A FAIRER SHARE OF THE

TAXES TO THIS STATE, AND INVEST THAT MONEY IN EDUCATION

AND OTHER ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

MY COLLEAGUES HERE WOULD INCREASE EITHER THE SALES TAX

ON CLOTHING AND CONSUMER SERVICES, SUCH AS HAIR CUTS

AND CAR REPAIRS, OR MAKE CUTS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AIDS

AS I FOUND OUT FROM THE LOCAL OFFICIALS IN AUSTIN

EARLIER TODAY.

THAT WOULD RESULT IN HIGHER PROPERTY TAXES IN AUSTIN,

MANKATO AND OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

I BELIEVE THAT MINE’S A FAIRER APPROACH FOR MINNESOTA.

I BELIEVE IT’S A BETTER APPROACH, AND I BELIEVE THAT

THOSE INVESTMENTS THAT I WOULD MAKE IN EDUCATION AND

OTHER SERVICES ARE ONES THAT WILL PUT US ON THE

GROWTH — PATH TO FURTHER GROWTH AND PROSPERITY FOR

MINNESOTA.

>> Moderator: THANK, Mr. DAYTON.

GO TO THE FIRST QUESTION.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP
QUALITIES YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD BRING TO THE GOVERNOR’S

OFFICE AND, Mr. HORNER, WE’LL START WITH YOU. 10

YOU MENTIONED THE — YOU WOULD BREAK THE GRIDLOCK.

HOW WOULD YOU PUT ASIDE PARTISANSHIP AND LEGISLATIVE

GRIDLOCK THAT HAVE HAMPERED PROGRESS ON MAJOR ISSUES AT

THE CAPITOL FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS?

>> WELL, AGAIN, EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER THAT HAS

ENDORSED, ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, HAS SAID THAT I’M

THE ONE THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND I THINK YOU

DO IT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.

ONE IS THAT, LIKE JESSE VENTURA, APPOINT A CABINET OF

PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR QUALIFICATIONS,

THEIR SKILLS, THEIR ABILITY TO ENGAGE WITH MINNESOTANS

ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

BUT SECONDLY, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY

FOR THE NEXT GOVERNOR, AND THE ONLY WAY THE NEXT

GOVERNOR IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, IF HE DOESN’T LOOK

BACKWARDS, IF HE DOESN’T TRY TO FORGE CONSENSUS ONLY

AMONG DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AT THE LEGISLATURE, BUT

ENGAGES THE PUBLIC.

GOES OVER THE HEAD OF THE LEGISLATURE TO TALK TO THE

PUBLIC, ENGAGE THE 60 TO 70% OF MINNESOTANS THAT HAVE

BEEN FORCED TO THE SIDELINES, BRING THEM INTO THE

PUBLIC AND GET THE CONSENSUS THERE.

AND I THINK, FRANKLY, WHAT WE SEE IN MY TWO OPPONENTS
HERE IS SENATOR DAYTON WITH NO ABILITY TO DO THAT, AND

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, NOT HAVING SHOWN ANY GREAT 11

INTEREST IN DOING THAT.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT MY EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC

SERVICE, IN COMMUNITY SERVICE, IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE,

I’M THE ONE WHO’S SHOWN THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT TO THE

PUBLIC, TO ENGAGE MINNESOTANS, FREE FROM SPECIAL

INTERESTS, AND FORGE THE CONSENSUS.

BRING THAT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE WITH THE COMMITMENT

THAT I’LL BE THE LIGHTNING ROD, I’LL BE THE ONE THAT

PROVIDES POLITICAL COVER FOR REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS,

INDEPENDENTS, WHO ARE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE,

TAKE THE TOUGH VOTES, AND WHILE I WOULD NEVER PROMISE

TO BE A ONE-TERM GOVERNOR, BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE A LAME

DUCK FROM DAY ONE, I’VE ALWAYS SAID THAT IF IN

PROVIDING THE POLITICAL COVER, IF IN BEING THE

POLITICAL LIGHTNING ROD, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT ARE

WE MOVE MINNESOTA FORWARD BUT I’M NOT REELECTED FOR A

SECOND TERM, I’M OKAY WITH THAT.

>> Moderator: SENATOR DAYTON, HOW WOULD YOU PUT ASIDE

PARTISANSHIP AND PREVENT LEGISLATIVE GRIDLOCK?

>> I SERVED NINE YEARS IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF STATE

GOVERNMENT.

I HEADED THREE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES, THE ONLY

CANDIDATE HERE WHO’S HAD THAT EXECUTIVE BRANCH
EXPERIENCE, AND I WORKED WITH D.F.L.ers AND WITH

REPUBLICANS CONSISTLY THROUGHOUT THAT TIME TO ADVANCE,

AS COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT AGENDA TO HELP PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK

THROUGHOUT THIS STATE, AS STATE AUDITOR TO GET THE

FUNDING NECESSARY TO AUDIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND MAKE

SURE THAT THEY’RE PROVIDING THEIR SERVICES AS

COST-EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.

IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, I SERVED FOR THE ENTIRE

SIX YEARS UNDER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND FOUR AND A

HALF OF THOSE SIX YEARS WITH A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN

THE U.S. SENATE, AND I WORKED WITH SENATORS ON BOTH

SIDES OF THE AISLE.

I WAS ABLE IN MY LAST YEAR IN THE SENATE TO GET THE

FIRST CONGRESSIONAL FUNDING FOR THE PIONEERING PROGRAM

OF THE MINNESOTA NATIONAL GUARD “BEYOND THE YELLOW

RIBBON” WHICH PROVIDED SUPPORT SERVICES TO OUR

RETURNING IRAQ AND AFGHAN WAR SOLDIERS, HEROS THAT HAVE

SERVED THERE AND THEIR FAMILIES TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR

REINTEGRATION INTO SOCIETY.

I WORKED WITH JOHN McCAIN, THEN THE SENATOR OF THE

APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, SENATOR TED STEVENS, TO

OBTAIN THAT FUNDING SO I HAVE A PROVEN ABILITY TO WORK

WITH MEMBERS OF BOTH SIDES, OR ALL SIDES OF THE AISLE

TO GET DONE WHAT’S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA.
>> Moderator: REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, YOU’VE LIVED

THROUGH SIX YEARS OF PARTISANSHIP AND A LOT OF 13

GRIDLOCK.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CHANGE THINGS AT THE CAPITOL?

>> AS I LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES, BILL, TWO THINGS COME

TO MIND.

YOU GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING AND YOU CAN’T BE

EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY.

I THINK LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT LEADING PEOPLE TO WHERE

THEY NEED TO BE, NOT WHERE THEY ALREADY ARE.

HOW YOU DO THAT IS YOU ARTICULATE A VERY CLEAR AND

CONCISE VISION FOR WHERE IT IS YOU BELIEVE WE NEED TO

GO, AND THEN YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO PEOPLE ON BOTH

SIDES.

THIS ELECTION REALLY IS NOT — NO LONGER ABOUT

REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT.

I’M VERY PROUD TO BE THE REPUBLICAN ENDORSED CANDIDATE

BUT IT REALLY IS ABOUT MORE THAN THAT.

IT’S ABOUT COMMON SENSE.

WHAT WE’VE BEEN DOING HASN’T BEEN WORKING AND I THINK

YOU START, BILL, FIRST, BY, AGAIN, ARTICULATING VERY

CLEARLY WHAT YOUR VISION IS FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STATE

OF MINNESOTA.

WE ARE THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT HAS PUT OUT A COMPLETE

AND DETAILED BUDGET THAT EVERYONE RUNNING FOR OFFICE
AND EVERYONE VOTING CAN LOOK AT AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE

WOULD DO WITH THE 7 TO 8% MORE IN REVENUE THAT THE 14

GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO SPEND IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE

SESSION.

SENATOR DAYTON IS A BILLION OFF, STILL, AND

Mr. HORNER’S 2.5 BILLION OFF.

IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY INTO YOUR VISION, IT’S

GOT TO BE COMPLETE AND YOU’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO

ARTICULATE WHAT IT IS, AND IT STARTS WITH HAVING A

COMPLETE AND DETAILED PLAN.

SECOND, I THINK WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE THE PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW, THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

SIMPLY HAS THE ABILITY TO UNALLOT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BILL THAT I OFFERED A COUPLE

YEARS AGO CALLED “FIRST THINGS FIRST” GET PASSED INTO

LAW RIGHT AWAY.

IT WOULD GIVE THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

THE ABILITY TO DECLARE A FISCAL EMERGENCY WHICH IS

DEFINED SIMPLY AS OUR REVENUES ARE NOT GOING TO MEET

OUR EXPENSES, AND ONCE THAT’S DECLARED, THE LEGISLATURE

HAS 45 DAYS, THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, TO PRESENT A

BALANCED BUDGET OF THEIR OWN.

SO THE GOVERNOR WOULD PUT ONE OUT IN THE FIRST YEAR OF

THE BIENNIUM, END OF JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY.

IF IT’S DECLARED THEN ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE
LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IT WOULD CAUSE THE LEGISLATURE TO

PUT OUT A COMPLETE AND DETAILED BUDGET BY MIDDLE OF 15

FEBRUARY.

NOW YOU HAVE INTO THE MIDDLE OF MAY TO FIND OUT WHERE

THE TWO SIDES AGREE AND GET THOSE OFF THE TABLE AND

IDENTIFY YOUR POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT SO YOU CAN BALANCE

THE BUDGET AND GET FIRST THINGS FIRST DONE.

>> Moderator: LET ME FOLLOW UP BY ASKING WHO YOUR

LEADERSHIP ROLE MODELS ARE, Mr. EMMER.

WHICH MINNESOTA GOVERNOR DO YOU ADMIRE MOST?

[ Laughter ]

>> I DON’T HAVE GAME CARDS FOR MINNESOTA GOVERNORS.

>> Moderator: I APOLOGIZE, TO Mr. HORNER.

[ Laughter ]

>> MODERATOR: DO YOU HAVE GAME CARDS FOR MINNESOTA

GOVERNORS?

[ Laughter ]

>> HOW COULD I SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE GOVERNORS

THAT I ADMIRE MOST ARE THOSE WHO HAVE ENDORSED ME.

>> MODERATOR: PICK ONE.

[ Laughter ]

>> WELL, I MEAN, I ADMIRE GOVERNOR CARLSON.

HE CAME IN WITH A DEFICIT THAT IN PERCENTAGE OF THE

BUDGET ALMOST AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE ONE THE NEXT

GOVERNOR WILL FACE.
HE RESOLVED THAT IN WAYS THAT WERE FAIR, THAT WERE

HONEST, THAT WERE BIPARTISAN, BUT THEN HE TURNED AROUND

AND HIS NEXT STEP WAS TO SAY, NOW, LET’S ENGAGE IN

REFORM.

LET’S FIX THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN HEALTH CARE, AND

BROUGHT TOGETHER A BIPARTISAN PANEL OF REPUBLICANS,

DEMOCRATS.

THE FIRST OFFERING WASN’T UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE

NEED IN MINNESOTA AND SO HE WENT AT IT AGAIN.

AND HE WENT AT IT IN A WAY THAT ENGAGED THE PUBLIC.

WHEN YOU START WITH POLICIES, PUTTING A STAKE IN THE

GROUND ON TAX THE RICH THAT EVEN MOST DEMOCRATS DON’T

SUPPORT AND YOU’RE WAY OFF HERE TO THE LEFT, OR CUT

SPENDING AND MANY REPUBLICANS DON’T SUPPORT THAT, AND

YOU’RE WAY OFF HERE TO THE RIGHT, HOW DO YOU BUILD

BIPARTISANSHIP?

WHEN YOU ALLOW ALL THE SPECIAL INTERESTS TO COME IN

SPENDING THREE, $4 MILLION TO BEAT UP ON THE OTHER

PARTIES, TO BEAT UP ON THE OTHER POLITICIANS, HOW DO

YOU TURN AROUND AND THEN SAY, I’M GOING TO BE A

BIPARTISAN LEADER?

YOU’VE GOT TO START WITH BIPARTISANSHIP.

YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE.

YOU HAVE TO START WITH A TRACK RECORD AND THE

EXPERIENCE THAT SAYS — THAT’S WHAT I’VE DONE IN MY
COMMUNITY SERVICE CAREER, THAT’S WHAT I’VE DONE IN MY

POLITICAL — IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER. 17

>> Moderator: PLEASE STICK TO ONE-MINUTE RESPONSES ON

THIS DISCUSSION.

>> SO ONE MINUTE ON THE FOLLOW-UP?

>> Moderator: PARDON ME?

>> ONE MINUTE ON THE FOLLOW-UP?

>> ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING THIS DOWN HERE OR –

>> WE’RE EASILY CONFUSED, BILL.

>> Moderator: RIGHT OVER HERE.

>> WE HAVEN’T DONE THIS ENOUGH.

[ Laughter ]

>> Moderator: NO.

WHAT DID YOU SAY THE OTHER NIGHT, 12,875?

>> WE’RE RIGHT UP THERE.

>> SENATOR DAYTON WAS SUPPOSED TO TELL US WHEN WE WERE

DONE.

[ Laughter ]

>> Moderator: SENATOR DAYTON, WOULD YOU TELL US WHICH

MINNESOTA GOVERNOR YOU ADMIRE MOST?

>> GOVERNOR RUDY PERPICH, WHO I SERVED TWICE AS HIS

COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN

COMMISSIONER OF ENERGY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,

BECAUSE HE WAS A JOBS GOVERNOR, HE WAS COMMITTED TO

ECONOMIC GROWTH IN OUR STATE AND HE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN
ACHIEVING THAT.

AND BECAUSE HE WAS PROACTIVE. 18

HE WAS ENGAGED IN WORKING TIRELESSLY DAY AND NIGHT TO

MAKE THIS A BETTER STATE.

AND GOVERNOR PERPICH HAD A SIGN ON HIS OFFICE WALL THAT

I WILL PUT BACK UP IF I’M GOVERNOR, THAT SAYS “NONE OF

US ARE AS SMART AS ALL OF US,” AND THE SUCCESS WAS HE

WAS A SPONGE FOR PEOPLE’S IDEAS FROM ALL DIFFERENT

POINTS OF VIEW AND I WOULD ADOPT THAT APPROACH, AS

WELL.

THE OTHER GOVERNOR WAS GOVERNOR HAROLD STASSEN, A

REFORM GOVERNOR WHO CAME IN AND REFORMED THE STATE

PROCESSES OF STATE GOVERNMENT AND THEN HAD THE

PATRIOTISM AND INTEGRITY TO RESIGN THE OFFICE AND GO

SERVE OUR COUNTRY IN WORLD WAR II.

>> Moderator: REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, WHO WAS YOUR

FAVORITE GOVERNOR?

>> BILL, I WOULDN’T PHRASE IT THAT WAY.

YOU SAID WHO DO YOU ADMIRE?

>> Moderator: OKAY, WHO DO YOU ADMIRE.

>> NOT A MATTER OF BEING FAVORITE.

AS I TOLD YOU WHEN I THOUGHT YOU WERE ADDRESSING EMMER

INSTEAD OF HORNER, I DON’T HAVE GOVERNOR GAME CARDS I

GO BACK TO.

I TELL YOU THIS, I ADMIRE ANYBODY WHO’S EVER SERVED IN
THE OFFICE.

I ADMIRE ANYBODY THAT’S EVER PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE9

AND SAID I’M WILLING TO RUN ON THE PRINCIPLES AND

IDEALS THAT I BELIEVE WILL PUT THIS STATE IN A BETTER

CONDITION THAN HOW WE FOUND IT.

SO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY THAT’S RUN FOR THE OFFICE, AND

FRANKLY, NOT ONLY RUN BUT BEEN ELECTED.

I MEAN, ANYBODY — AND I THINK THESE TWO GENTLEMEN

WOULD AGREE WITH ME, THE ONE THING THAT WE’VE LEARNED

IS THIS IS A LONG ROAD AND YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE

EVERY DAY, SHARING YOUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS

STATE WITH MINNESOTANS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

ANYBODY THAT’S WILLING TO DO THAT, I HAVE THE MOST

ADMIRATION FOR.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

GO ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION, AGAIN REGARDING LEADERSHIP.

YOU’LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER THIS.

IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED AND YOU ARE AT YOUR

FIRST MEETING WITH YOUR CABINET.

GIVE US YOUR FIRST TALK.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR CABINET THAT LAYS OUT YOUR

VISION, THE EXPECTATIONS YOU HAVE FOR THEM AND HOW

YOU’LL MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS.

Mr. DAYTON GOES FIRST.

>> OH.
[ Laughter ]

>> I WOULD TELL THEM I WANT EXCELLENCE. 20

I BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT BUT I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE

OF GOVERNMENT SERVING THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE.

ONCE WE’RE ELECTED OR APPOINTED, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS

TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA AND IT’S TO DO THE VERY

BEST WE CAN.

IT’S, AS I ATTEMPTED TO DO IN THE THREE STATE AGENCIES

THAT I HEADED, TO INSTILL THAT SAME ETHIC OF EXCELLENCE

IN SERVICE TO ALL STATE EMPLOYEES, TO TELL THEM THAT

OUR POSITIONS ARE PAID FOR BY THE HARD-EARNED TAX

DOLLARS OF THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, AND WE OWE THEM A

RESPONSIVENESS, WE OWE THEM EFFICIENCY, WE OWE THEM

COURTESY.

WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY’D LIKE

US TO DO BUT WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND IN THAT

KIND OF FASHION.

WHEN I SET UP IN MY SENATE OFFICE THE HEALTH CARE HELP

LINE AND PROVIDED THE SERVICE TO THOSE WHO EITHER WERE

DENIED HEALTH CARE THAT THEIR PHYSICIANS SAID THEY

NEEDED BY THEIR INSURERS OR WERE DENIED PAYMENT FOR

THOSE HEALTH CARE SERVICES, MY STAFF WOULD SAY, WELL,

WE’LL GET BACK TO YOU WITHIN 24 HOURS AND PEOPLE WERE

ASTONISHED.

AND THEN THEY WERE EVEN MORE ASTONISHED WHEN THE PERSON
ACTUALLY DID THAT.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE NORM, THAT SHOULD BE 21

COMMONPLACE, THAT SHOULD BE THE RIGHT OF ANY CITIZEN TO

EXPECT THEY CAN CALL SOMEONE WHO’S PAID WITH THEIR TAX

DOLLARS AND RECEIVE THAT KIND OF COURTESY AND THAT KIND

OF SWIFT RESPONSE.

SO I WILL DO MY UTMOST TO INSTILL THAT ETHIC OF QUALITY

SERVICE, OF COMMITMENT TO PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA AND THEN

REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE ARE THE STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES

THAT BELONG TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE.

SO IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THEM IN A WAY

THAT LOOKS OUT FOR NOW AND THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS

TODAY AND ALSO OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AND

GENERATIONS STILL TO COME.

AND TO DO THAT TO THE UTMOST OF OUR ABILITY.

>> Moderator: OKAY, THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. EMMER, YOU’RE NEXT.

AGAIN, JUST EXPECTATIONS YOU HAVE OF THEM, HOW WILL YOU

MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS AND VISION.

>> WELL, FIRST, IT WOULD START LONG BEFORE THAT FIRST

MEETING.

I WOULD SAY IMMEDIATELY, AFTER THE ELECTION ON NOVEMBER

2nd, IF WE ARE ELECTED TO SERVE AS GOVERNOR, WE

WILL START BY TAKING APART EVERY AGENCY OF GOVERNMENT.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL MISSION?
HOW DID IT START?

WHAT IS THE MISSION TODAY? 22

IS THAT MISSION STILL A PRIORITY OF GOVERNMENT, AND IF

SO, IS IT BEING DELIVERED IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER?

YOU GOT TO START AT THE BEGINNING AND YOU’VE GOT TO

BUILD IT AGAIN.

THE GOVERNOR RIGHT NOW HAS 22 CABINET POSITIONS.

THAT’S TOO MANY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SECRETARY — SOMEONE CALLED IT A

SECRETARIATE MODEL, REDUCE THAT TO EITHER 6 OR 9 PEOPLE

THAT HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE AREA OF GOVERNMENT OR

MORE THAN ONE AREA OF GOVERNMENT, AND ONCE THAT’S PUT

TOGETHER, JOE — AND BY THE WAY, IT SHOULDN’T BE,

AGAIN, BASED ON PARTY, IT SHOULD BE ON THE BEST PEOPLE

AVAILABLE TO DO THE JOB YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT — THEN IT

HAS TO BE ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I THINK TOO MANY OF US THAT HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE OF

GOVERNMENT HAVE THE FEELING THAT GOVERNMENT — WE HAVE

TO ASK PERMISSION ALL THE TIME AND WHEN WE CALL, WE GET

RECORDINGS.

WE’VE GOT TO HAVE GOVERNMENT SERVING US SO IT’S ABOUT

CUSTOMER SERVICE, IT’S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT

MINNESOTANS UNDERSTAND GOVERNMENT’S HERE TO WORK FOR

THEM, AND I’LL GIVE YOU A QUICK EXAMPLE IN THE MINUTE

I’VE GOT LEFT.
I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS GIVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY AS

THE COMPTROLLER OF A NATIONAL WHEEL-BEARING 23

MANUFACTURING COMPANY OF EXPANDING HIS COMPANY’S

MANUFACTURING BUSINESS.

GOT A CALL FROM THE STATE OF IOWA, THEY TOOK HIM DOWN

TO IOWA, SHOWED HIM THE STATE, WANTED HIM TO EXPAND.

GOT SIMILAR CALLS FROM SOUTH DAKOTA, NORTH DAKOTA,

WISCONSIN.

WHEN HE CALLED THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, THE RESPONSE HE

GOT WAS, THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST DO IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND

IN MINNESOTA.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT ATTITUDE.

HOW WOULD WE MEASURE OUR SUCCESS?

ONE, DID WE FIND EFFICIENCIES WITHIN GOVERNMENT?

WERE WE ABLE TO DELIVER MORE FOR LESS AND BETTER?

AND SECOND, ARE WE GROWING JOBS AGAIN IN THE STATE OF

MINNESOTA.

DO PEOPLE START TO INVEST AGAIN IN MINNESOTA AND CREATE

NEW OPPORTUNITIES.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

Mr. HORNER.

>> I WOULD REMIND THEM THAT THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY

ARE SMARTER THAN I AM, THEY’RE THERE BECAUSE THEY’RE

NOT DEMOCRATS, NOT REPUBLICANS, THEY’RE MINNESOTANS AND

THAT’S WHAT THEY NEED TO PUT FIRST.
SECONDLY, I WOULD TELL THEM, THEY HAVE TO START BY

ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION. 24

THE RIGHT QUESTION ISN’T HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO

SPEND, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEFEND THIS INTEREST, HOW

ARE WE GOING TO PAY OFF THAT FAVOR BUT WHAT IS IT THAT

WE NEED TO ACHIEVE AS MINNESOTANS TO ASSURE THE

PROSPERITY OF THE STATE.

AND THIRDLY, I WOULD GO — TELL THEM TO GO OUT AND TALK

TO MINNESOTANS, NOT JUST THE USUAL SUSPECTS BUT THE

PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS AND

POLICIES.

THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE INNOVATIVE IDEAS, THE PEOPLE

WHO HAVE THE NEW SOLUTIONS.

I WOULD TELL THEM TO BE BOLD, TO CHALLENGE THE STATUS

QUO, TO COME BACK WITH INNOVATION, AND TO BRING BACK

SOLUTIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL

MINNESOTANS.

AND HERE’S WHAT I HOPE THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH.

THERE IS A GREAT PROGRAM IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

THAT DEALT WITH LOW-INCOME KIDS WHO HAD ASTHMA.

TERRIFIC PROGRAM THAT SAID WE’RE GOING TO GO IN AND

FIGURE OUT WHAT TRIGGERS THE ATTACKS TO THESE

LOW-INCOME KIDS AND HOW DO WE KEEP THEM OUT OF THE

EMERGENCY ROOMS.

AND THEY WENT IN, THEY WORKED WITH THE FAMILIES, THEY
FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS TRIGGERING THE ATTACKS, HOW TO

CORRECT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 25

OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PROGRAM, THEY WERE ABLE TO SAVE

AN AVERAGE OF $2,000 PER CHILD PER YEAR.

KEEPING THEM OUT OF THE EMERGENCY ROOMS.

THAT’S HOW YOU RESTRUCTURE HEALTH CARE COSTS.

BUT THE OTHER THING THIS PROGRAM DID, IT SAVED KIDS, IT

KEPT THEM IN SCHOOL, REDUCED ABSENCES BY AN AVERAGE OF

SEVEN DAYS PER CHILD, PER YEAR.

PUT IT OVER THE COURSE OF AN ACADEMIC CAREER, 12-YEAR

ACADEMIC CAREER, THAT’S NEARLY HALF OF A SCHOOL YEAR.

THERE’S THE EDUCATION GAP.

THERE’S THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP.

THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO GET OUR KIDS UP TO SPEED AND

THAT’S JUST FROM ONE INTERVENTION BY BEING BOLD, BY

BEING INNOVATIVE, BY LOOKING AT HEALTH CARE NOT JUST AS

A NATIONAL PROGRAM BUT AS A COMMUNITY SOLUTION, AND BY

LOOKING AT THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, NOT JUST AS EDUCATION

BUT AS OTHER ISSUES.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

ONE MINUTE QUICK FOLLOW-UP TO YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

AGAIN, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF TO YOUR

ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM AS THE COACH OR THE CEO?

>> WELL, THE CEO AND THE COACH.

CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE STATE HAS THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO
MAKE THE DECISIONS AND TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE BEST

INTERESTS OF ALL MINNESOTANS, BUT ALSO A TEACHING ROLE,

AND AS ONE OF THE SUCCESSFUL COACHES ONCE SAID, IT’S

GETTING PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE A COMMON

GOAL, OF BEING THE VERY BEST THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY

BE.

SO IT’S DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT AS WELL AS LEADERSHIP

POSITION.

>> Moderator: SAME QUESTION TO YOU, Mr. EMMER.

>> I WOULD SAY A CEO.

YES, THERE ARE PROBABLY SIMILARITIES WHEN IT COMES TO

COACHING BUT THIS IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE OF

MINNESOTA THAT WE NEED TO RUN AND WHEN YOU DESIGN A

LEADERSHIP TEAM, YOU’RE GOING TO APPOINT THE BEST AND

THE BRIGHTEST, HOPEFULLY, TO THE AREAS OF

RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU DICTATE.

YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE THE SAME PRINCIPLES, LIMITED

GOVERNMENT THAT DELIVERS SERVICES IN THE MOST

EFFICIENT, AFFORDABLE, SUSTAINABLE MANNER.

AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM IS WHAT YOU

WANT THEM TO EMBRACE.

BUT I THINK THE WAY YOU HANDLE LEADERSHIP IS EVERYBODY

GETS INPUT.

YOU WANT THEM ON THE TEAM BECAUSE THEY BRING SOMETHING

OF VALUE TO THE TEAM.
BUT THE ONE CAVEAT IS, IF YOU ARE THE CEO, IF YOU’RE

THE LEADER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS ONE FINAL7

DECISION AND THAT RESTS WITH THE LEADER.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

Mr. HORNER, SAME QUESTION.

>> I WOULD DESCRIBE MYSELF AS A CEO AND TELL THEM IF

THEY WANTED A COACH, THEY COULD GO TO TCF STADIUM.

WAIT A SECOND.

YOU KNOW, I THINK MINNESOTA NEEDS A LEADER.

MINNESOTA NEEDS SOMEBODY WHO’S DOING TO MAKE EXECUTIVE

DECISIONS BUT MAKE EXECUTIVE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE

BEST INTERESTS OF ALL PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE FIRM, SOLID DECISIONS, IT’S

GOING TO TAKE LEADERSHIP, AND I THINK THE BEST CEO IS

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRADITION OF CEO LEADERSHIP IN

MINNESOTA, THE BEST ONES ARE THOSE WHO ARE OUR LEADERS,

WHO ARE INNOVATIVE, BOLD, WHO AREN’T STUCK IN THE PAST,

WHO DON’T RELY ON THE STATUS QUO, WHO ALWAYS ARE

CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO AND PUSHING OUT FOR

SOMETHING NEW.

THAT’S THE KIND OF CEO I WOULD BE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

>> Moderator: NOW WE’LL SWITCH OVER AND START TO TALK

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR GREATER MINNESOTA,

AND I’LL START WITH YOU, SENATOR DAYTON.
BLANDIN FOUNDATION POLL RELEASED LAST WEEK SHOWED 43%

OF RURAL RESIDENTS DO NOT BELIEVE THE LEGISLATORS AND8

GOVERNORS FAIRLY ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS.

THEY BELIEVE STATE OFFICIALS DON’T THINK THEIR

WELL-BEING IS AS IMPORTANT AS THAT OF THE TWIN CITIES

RESIDENTS.

WHAT POLICIES WILL YOU PUT IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP, IF

ANY, ASSURE RESIDENTS OF GREATER MINNESOTA THAT YOU’LL

TREAT THEM FAIRLY?

>> WELL, BILL, I’VE HELD 114 COMMITTEE MEETINGS AROUND

MINNESOTA, ONE IN EVERY COUNTY AT LEAST AND I CAN COUNT

ON ONE HAND WITH FINGERS LEFT OVER THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

WHO BELIEVE THEY’VE GOTTEN BETTER QUALITY SERVICE FROM

STATE AGENCIES THAN THEY DID FIVE OR TEN YEARS AGO.

AND THE FARTHER YOU GET FROM St. PAUL, THE MORE THE

FEELING OF DISCONNECT AND EVEN DISTRUST TOWARDS STATE

AGENCIES.

FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, MAYORS, CITY

COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE PROMISED THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT

AIDS WOULD BE PROTECTED, AND THEN FOUND THOSE PROMISES

BROKEN BY THE CURRENT GOVERNOR.

WHO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAYOR OF WADENA WHEN I WENT UP

THERE SHORTLY AFTER THE DEVASTATING TORNADO LAST

SPRING, BUT AMAZINGLY WITH WHOLE BLOCKS FLATTENED,

THERE WAS NO LOSS OF LIFE.
AND THE MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, WE’RE A POOR COMMUNITY

HERE. 29

ONE-THIRD OF THE RESIDENTS OF WADENA HAVE A NET WORTH

OF LESS THAN $15,000.

WE COULDN’T HAVE AFFORDED TO PROVIDE THE EMERGENCY

WARNING SYSTEM, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CAPABILITY THAT

WE HAD WITHOUT THAT SUPPORT.

I REMEMBER THE MAYOR UP IN INTERNATIONAL FALLS SAYING

SHE HAD BEEN PROMISED BY GOVERNOR PAWLENTY BEFORE THE

LAST ELECTION THAT HE WOULD PROTECT LOCAL GOVERNMENT

AIDS SO THEY CUT THEIR PROPERTY TAX LEVY BY 16%, AND

THEN AFTER HE FAILED TO DO SO, THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND

RAISE THAT PROPERTY TAX LEVY BACK UP TO WHAT IT WAS

BEFORE.

SO THE INTEGRITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN STATE

GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS KEY.

AND THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS, YOU KNOW,

AGRICULTURE AND — AGRICULTURAL PART OF OUR STATE.

I WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF ETHANOL E-85 WHEN I WAS IN THE

SENATE.

TOURISM, WHEN I WORKED AS COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT, HAD A RESPONSIBILITY FOR TOURISM.

GOVERNOR PERPICH WAS A TRUE VISIONARY IN RECOGNIZING

THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, THE INVESTMENTS THE STATE MADE

IN TOURISM ADVERTISING AND PROMOTIONAL BROUGHT BACK A
MULTIPLE.

GOVERNOR QUIE STARTED THE STAR CITIES PROGRAM FOR 30

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I EXPANDED THAT WHEN I WAS COMMISSIONER, AND THAT

ASSISTED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ALL OVER THE STATE IN

IDENTIFYING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE

ADDITIONAL — WORKED WITH BUSINESSES TO CREATE

ADDITIONAL JOBS.

I WOULD REVITALIZE THAT PROGRAM AS GOVERNOR.

>> Moderator: Mr. HORNER, SAME QUESTION TO YOU, HOW

WOULD YOU ASSURE GREATER MINNESOTA THAT YOU WOULD TREAT

RESIDENTS THERE FAIRLY?

>> I THINK IN MY CAMPAIGN THAT I HAVE MADE THOSE

ASSURANCES AND I THINK IT IS REFLECTED, AGAIN, IN HOW

EDITORIALS, HOW LEADERS ARE RESPONDING TO ME.

THE “BEMIDJI PIONEER” IN ITS EDITORIAL SAID THAT I WAS

THE BEST HOPE FOR A STRONG, RURAL MINNESOTA.

AND I THINK IT COMES NOT JUST FROM PUTTING MORE PUBLIC

DOLLARS INTO RURAL MINNESOTA, ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE A

STRONG COMMITMENT AND AN ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT TO

L.G.A. AND CONTINUING THE FUNDING THERE.

BUT I THINK IT’S ALSO CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH

OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES CAN SUCCEED.

IT’S MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE POLICIES THAT PROTECT A

STRONG, RURAL HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE
TO GET WORLD-CLASS QUALITY HEALTH CARE AND GIVES THEM

THAT ASSET TO ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES. 31

THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE EDUCATION, K-12, OUR GREAT

TWO-YEAR SCHOOLS, THE FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITIES AROUND

MINNESOTA, ARE DOING THEIR JOBS, ARE INTEGRATED INTO

THE LOCAL REGIONAL ECONOMIES.

THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WE’RE

BUILDING OUT THE TEN-TON ROADS, THE RAIL, THE BRIDGES,

THE WATER AND SEWER THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO ATTRACT

BUSINESSES.

THAT WE’RE INVESTING IN RESEARCH, THAT WE’RE BUILDING

THE ECONOMY OF THE FUTURE NOT JUST PAYING FOR THE

MISTAKES OF THE PAST.

THAT WE’RE MAKING INVESTMENTS IN NEW APPLICATIONS FOR

AGRICULTURE, FOR ENERGY, FOR MANUFACTURING, AND THEN

THAT WE HAVE A TAX POLICY THAT DOESN’T TAX SMALL

BUSINESSES OUT OF JOB CREATION, AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM,

SENATOR DAYTON, IS THAT SO MANY OF OUR BUSINESSES IN

RURAL MINNESOTA ARE SUB S, LLCs, THAT WOULD BE KILLED

BY YOUR PROPOSAL.

DIGIKEY IN THIEF RIVER FALLS WOULD LOSE HUNDREDS OF

JOBS BY YOUR PROPOSAL.

THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

BUT LASTLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BLANDIN SURVEY, ONE

OF THE MOST COMPELLING STATISTICS WAS THAT 9 OUT OF 10
PEOPLE SAID, ENGAGE ME, MAKE ME PART OF THE SOLUTIONS.

WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTIONS, AND I THINK THAT’S

CRITICAL.

I THINK ANY GOVERNOR HAS TO SAY TO RURAL MINNESOTANS,

WE’RE IN THIS TOGETHER, YOU’RE PARTNERS IN THE

SOLUTIONS, WE’RE GOING TO CREATE THIS TOGETHER.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, HOW WOULD YOU TREAT GREATER

MINNESOTA FAIRLY?

>> WELL, I THINK THE BLANDIN REPORT ACTUALLY IS SIMPLY

A RESTATEMENT OF OUR PLATFORM THAT WE’RE RUNNING ON FOR

THIS OFFICE.

THE BLANDIN REPORT THAT WAS JUST ISSUED FOR GREATER

MINNESOTA SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE

FOR GREATER MINNESOTA RESIDENTS IS HIGH-QUALITY PAYING

JOBS.

AND THEN VERY IMPORTANTLY, AND I SUGGEST MAYBE MY

COLLEAGUES WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THE NEXT THING

THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IN THE REPORT ARE TAXES, SPENDING

AND GOVERNANCE.

IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT CREATING A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT TO

ONCE AGAIN DRAW NEW INVESTMENT AND CREATE HIGH-QUALITY,

GOOD-PAYING JOBS IN GREATER MINNESOTA, IN FACT, ALL OF

MINNESOTA.

BUT TAXES ARE TOO HIGH.
SPENDING IS OUT OF CONTROL.

AND GOVERNANCE, PEOPLE IN RURAL MINNESOTA, GREATER 33

MINNESOTA, LIKE MANY MINNESOTANS FEEL THAT THEIR

GOVERNMENT IS JUST NOT LISTENING TO THEM ANYMORE.

IT’S TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT GOVERNMENT STARTS TO SERVE

THE PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO THE PEOPLE BEING CONSTANTLY

ASKED TO SERVE IT MORE WITH THEIR TAX MONEY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLANDIN REPORT, WHAT WE WERE GOING

TO DO FOR GREATER MINNESOTA IS THE SAME THING WE

PROPOSE TO DO FOR ALL OF MINNESOTA.

LET’S REDESIGN GOVERNMENT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND

DELIVER THE SERVICES PEOPLE EXPECT, AND THEN LET’S

CREATE A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT BY STREAMLINING

REGULATIONS AND LOWERING TAXES TO START GROWING JOBS

AGAIN IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

A QUICK FOLLOW-UP FOR EVERYONE, ONE MINUTE.

YOU’VE ALL TALKED ABOUT JOBS IN RURAL MINNESOTA, AND I

BELIEVE THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES CITES A PROPERTY

TAX FIGURE FOR A $1 MILLION COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN

WELLS, MINNESOTA, WOULD PAY TWICE AS MUCH IN PROPERTY

TAX AS ONE IN EAGAN.

IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

Mr. DAYTON, YOU WOULD GO FIRST.

>> THERE IS CERTAINLY A PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM IS THE
INEQUITY IN THE PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM.

BUSINESSES IN MINNESOTA PAY MORE THAN 4 TIMES MORE IN4

PROPERTY TAXES THAN THEY DO IN ANY OTHER TAX, AND IT’S

THE SAME WITH THE LEAGUE OF GREATER MINNESOTA CITIES

WHO SAID THAT REPRESENTATIVE EMMER’S CUTS IN LOCAL

GOVERNMENT AIDS AND SCHOOL AIDS WOULD RESULT IN HIGHER

PROPERTY TAXES.

THE FORMULA THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE USES IS FOR

EVERY DOLLAR REDUCTION IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AIDS,

PROPERTY TAXES GO UP BY 67 CENTS.

WHEN I WAS IN AUSTIN, MINNESOTA, EARLIER THIS MORNING,

A CITY WHICH HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS AS

MOST CITIES AND COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND

GOVERNOR PAWLENTY HAS CUT THE NUMBER OF STATE EMPLOYEE

POSITIONS BY 11% OVER HIS TWO TERMS SO GOVERNMENTS HAVE

CUT BACK, BUT THEY SAID IF WE CUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AIDS

AGAIN, PROPERTY TAXES WOULD GO UP EVEN GREATER THAN 67

CENTS FOR EVERY DOLLAR REDUCTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE FISCAL INTEGRITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP

BETWEEN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IS

ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN

GREATER MINNESOTA AND TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND TO HAVE

THE PROPERTY TAXES NOT SOAR UNCONTROLLABLY.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. HORNER, WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT QUESTION?
>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE IS AN INEQUITY, BUT I WOULD SAY, SENATOR DAYTON,

THE WAY TO ADDRESS THE INEQUITY IN PROPERTY TAXES ISN’T

TO RAISE THE INCOME TAX TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF PROBLEM.

I MEAN, YOU CAN’T ADD MORE TAXES TO BUSINESSES.

THAT’S — WHEN YOU KILL THE JOB CREATORS, YOU KILL JOBS

IN RURAL MINNESOTA AND THAT’S WHAT YOUR TAX PROPOSAL

WOULD DO.

IT TAXES THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CREATING THE

JOBS.

AND SO ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS PROPERTY TAXES.

AND I’VE DONE THAT IN MY BUDGET PROPOSAL.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO EQUALIZE THE TAXES FOR BUSINESSES

IN RURAL MINNESOTA AND METRO, AND BETWEEN COMMERCIAL

PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY

TAXES, AND UNDERSTAND THAT SO MANY COMMUNITIES WE NOW

HAVE AG LAND BEING TAXED FOR ITS SPECULATIVE VALUE, NOT

ITS PRODUCTION VALUE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE TAXING AGRICULTURE FOR

ITS PRODUCTION VALUE, THAT WE’RE DOING THAT FAIRLY AND

ALLOWING COMMUNITIES TO THRIVE AND FARMERS TO STAY IN

THEIR LAND.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

Mr. EMMER.
>> YEAH, AND I BELIEVE IT IS, JOE, AND THAT’S WHY — IN

OUR — AGAIN, THE ONLY PLAN THAT’S COMPLETE AND 36

DETAILED AND DOESN’T HAVE A $2.5-BILLION HOLE OR A

$1-BILLION HOLE, WE PROVIDED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX

REDUCTIONS OF ABOUT $100 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO

YEARS.

I DO THINK IT’S A HUGE ISSUE BUT I ALSO HAVE TO ADDRESS

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID FALLACIES THAT SENATOR

DAYTON’S PUTTING OUT.

PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE STATE OF

MINNESOTA, WE’VE GOT OVER 800 CITIES, AND OF THE

800-PLUS CITIES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, IT’S ONLY 20

CITIES THAT GET OVER 50% OF THE L.G.A. DOLLARS, THE

LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID DOLLARS, AND ONLY 5 OF THOSE 20

GET ALMOST 40%.

SO THE SUGGESTION THAT SOMEHOW YOU GET BORDER TO BORDER

TAX — PROPERTY TAX INCREASES WITH REDUCTIONS IN

L.G.A. IS SIMPLY A FALLACY, AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST

THAT IF THE STATE GOVERNMENT NOT SPENDING THAT DOLLAR,

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHERE YOU GET MORE RESPONSIBLE

REPRESENTATION, IF IT’S 67 CENTS, I DON’T KNOW WHY THE

SENATOR WOULD BE OPPOSED TO TAXPAYERS SAVING 33 CENTS

ON EVERY DOLLAR.

>> Moderator: NEXT QUESTION.

LET’S GO BACK TO THE BLANDIN FOUNDATION POLL WHICH
FOUND FOUR OUT OF FIVE RURAL MINNESOTANS BELIEVE IT’S

IMPORTANT TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY OPTIONS SUCH AS

SOLAR, WIND AND BIOFUELS.

WHAT WILL YOU DO TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY

RESOURCES?

SENATOR DAYTON, LET’S START WITH YOU.

>> WELL, I PROPOSED AN ENERGY SAVINGS FUND, MODELED

AFTER WHAT’S BEEN INITIATED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

MINNESOTA-MORRIS, WHERE THEY’VE RETROFITTED THE

BUILDING FOR MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT USE THAT PROVIDES

JOBS IN THOSE PROJECTS.

THEY’VE RETROFITTED THE HEATING-COOLING SYSTEM FOR

ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.

IN THIS CASE, BUYING CORN STALKS FROM AREA FARMERS,

THAT PUTS MONEY INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

THEY’RE PELLETIZING AND THEN USING A GASIFIER, WHICH

WHEN EFFECTIVE THEY BELIEVE WILL SAVE TAXPAYERS A

MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN LOWER ENERGY COSTS, SO IT’S A

WIN-WIN-WIN SCENARIO ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND I WOULD

CREATE A REVOLVING LOAN FUND MODELED AFTER THAT

APPROACH AND START WITH THE MINNESOTA PUBLIC COLLEGES

AND UNIVERSITIES SUCH AS MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO, MAKE

THOSE SAME INVESTMENTS, AND THEN WITH THE SAVINGS AND

LOWER ENERGY COSTS AND — THEY SAY THAT A SUCCESSFUL

PROJECT PAYS FOR ITSELF WITH LOWER ENERGY COSTS IN FIVE
TO SEVEN YEARS, THEN LOAN THAT MONEY OUT TO STATE

GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO LOCAL 38

GOVERNMENTS, AND IN A DECADE, WE COULD TRANSFORM THE

PUBLIC SECTOR’S USE OF RENEWABLE CLEAN ENERGY IN

MINNESOTA, AND BY DEMONSTRATING TO THOSE BUSINESSES

THAT WE HAVE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO DOING SO, THAT

WE COULD THEN, IN FACT, ATTRACT THOSE BUSINESSES TO

MINNESOTA.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE WIND TURBINES USES 800 TONS OF

STEEL.

I WOULD RATHER THOSE BE MANUFACTURED HERE IN MINNESOTA

AND BE USING TACONITE TO — STEEL FROM NORTHEASTERN

MINNESOTA.

SOLAR ENERGY, SIMILAR AREA WHERE WE COULD DEMONSTRATE

THIS KIND OF LONG-TERM COMMITMENT OF MINNESOTA, AND I

LEARNED AS COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS WHEN

YOU DEMONSTRATE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO A PARTICULAR

INDUSTRY, THAT YOU BECOME ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM AS A

PLACE TO LOCATE AND TO EXPAND.

AND I AS GOVERNOR WOULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT COMMITMENT TO

ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WITH GOING ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OR

NATION OR THE WORLD WHERE THERE IS A JOB TO BE GAINED

FOR MINNESOTA.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, SENATOR.

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ENCOURAGE
DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY RESOURCES?

>> WELL, I THINK RESPECTFULLY, SENATOR DAYTON, YOU’VE9

JUST SHOWN WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT NEED TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF

BEING IN PEOPLE’S BUSINESS.

I THINK WE’VE GOT TO START TO OPEN UP THE MARKETPLACE.

SOLAR SHOULD BE AN OPTION BUT THERE SHOULD BE A

MARKETPLACE FOR IT.

WIND ENERGY SHOULD BE AN OPTION, THERE SHOULD BE A

MARKETPLACE FOR IT.

ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENERGY SHOULD BE EXPLORED AND WE

SHOULD START TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO THAT BY STREAMLINING

REGULATIONS, ALLOW THEM TO START TO INVEST, NOT HAVING

PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT THAT DON’T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE

CREATING THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND INVESTING THEIR MONEY.

HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT EVERY DAY AND UNDERSTAND

WHAT RISK IS DOING IT, AND WE SHOULD LIFT THE

MORATORIUM ON NUCLEAR.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE

FUTURE OF OUR ECONOMY AND OUR KIDS’ FUTURE WHEN IT

COMES TO ENERGY.

AND, AGAIN, TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU.

Mr. HORNER?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON…
>> NOT SURPRISINGLY, I THINK YOU’VE BOTH SHOWN THE

PROBLEM WITH YOUR POLICIES. 40

I MEAN, SENATOR DAYTON, TO PROMISE MORE DOLLARS THAT WE

DON’T HAVE AND WE SHOULDN’T SPEND IS THE WRONG WAY TO

GO.

IT’S GOING TO RUN MORE BUSINESSES OUT OF THE STATE AND

CAUSE YOU TO PUSH INCOME TAXES DOWN TO AN EVEN LOWER

LEVEL, AND THERE’S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

BUT I ALSO DISAGREE WITH REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, I DON’T

THINK WE OUGHT TO IGNORE THE ROLE OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR

IN HELPING TO ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE, IN HELPING TO ADVANCE

INNOVATION AND THEN COMMERCIALIZE THAT IN THE PRIVATE

SECTOR.

SO I DO THINK WE SHOULD MOVE AWAY FROM SUBSIDIES, AND

I’VE BEEN THE ONE THAT SAID THAT AT FARM FEST AS WELL

AS AT FORUMS IN THE TWIN CITIES, THE ONLY ONE, I MIGHT

ADD.

BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE A ROLE IN PROMOTING RESEARCH.

LOOK AT THE GREAT RESEARCH IN BIOMASS THAT IS GOING ON

AT CENTRAL LAKES COLLEGE IN STAPLES AT THE AG CENTER,

OR WHAT MORRIS IS DOING IN WIND, WHAT MANKATO IS DOING

IN ETHANOL, AND UNDERSTANDING BETTER HOW TO USE ETHANOL

IN MODERN ENGINES.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE STANDARDS THAT WERE SET TO DRIVE
UTILITIES TO MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY ARE GOOD, AND

THEY’RE PRODUCING RESULTS. 41

AND WE OUGHT TO HOLD THE UTILITIES TO THAT, NOT AS

REGULATORY PUNITIVE BURDENS BUT AS INCENTIVES TO MOVE

FORWARD, TO DEVELOP THESE NEW INITIATIVES IN THE

MARKETPLACE.

WE ALSO NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO COST.

ONE OF THE GREAT ADVANTAGES MINNESOTA BUSINESSES HAVE

OVER COMPANIES IN THE EAST AND THE WEST COAST IS THAT

WE DO HAVE LOWER ELECTRICITY PRICES, AND WE NEED TO

MAINTAIN THAT COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.

THIRDLY, WE NEED TO ALWAYS KEEP REMEMBERING THAT EVEN

AS WE DEVELOP ALTERNATIVE FUELS, EVEN AS WE DEVELOP

OTHER SOURCES, THE MOST EFFICIENT ENERGY IS THE ENERGY

WE DON’T USE.

AND SO WE ALSO NEED TO PROMOTE CONSERVATION AS A

THOUGHTFUL PART OF OUR ENERGY PROGRAM.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

NEXT QUESTION GOES TO YOU, Mr. DAYTON, FIRST.

GREATER MINNESOTA NEEDS A SKILLED WORKFORCE TO ATTRACT

NEW JOBS.

GIVEN THE STATE’S BUDGET PROBLEMS, HOW WOULD YOU

ADEQUATELY FUND STATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ACROSS

GREATER MINNESOTA TO PROVIDE THE SKILLED WORKERS, AND

HOW WOULD YOU LINK THEIR ACADEMIC PROMISE TO THE NEEDS
OF EMPLOYERS?

TWO MINUTES, Mr. DAYTON. 42

>> I’M FIRST AGAIN?

>> Moderator: YES.

>> WELL, THE COMMITMENT TO HIGHER EDUCATION HAS

SLACKENED IN THE LAST DECADE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE

STUDENTS HERE AT UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-MANKATO WITH

CUTBACKS IN POSITIONS, AND THAT’S SACRIFICING THE

FUTURE OF OUR STATE.

WE HAVE THE THIRD HIGHEST TUITION AT OUR 2-YEAR PUBLIC

COLLEGES OF ANY STATE IN THE NATION.

WE’RE IN THE TOP 10 IN TUITION AT OUR MnSCU,

FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITIES.

THE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA IS 50%

HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE TUITION AND THE STATE

UNIVERSITIES IN THE SURROUNDING FOUR STATES, AND YOU GO

TO WADENA TECHNICAL COLLEGE, 20 YEARS AGO THEY HAD A

CAPITAL EQUIPMENT BUDGET OF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR,

NOW IT’S 20,000 THIS LAST YEAR, I’M TOLD.

SO WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS IN THE

TECHNOLOGY NECESSARY TO GIVE THOSE STUDENTS THE SKILLS

TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, WE’RE

SHORT-CHANGING THE FUTURE OF OUR STATE.

THE NEXT GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE ARE GOING TO INHERIT

AN ALMOST $6 BILLION PROJECTED DEFICIT AND SQUARE THAT
FISCAL ACCOUNT FIRST IS GOING TO BE THE ABSOLUTE

REQUIREMENT UNDER THE MINNESOTA CONSTITUTION. 43

BUT AS HOPEFULLY THE STATE AND NATIONAL ECONOMY

IMPROVE, AS WE HAVE MORE REVENUES, MY NUMBER ONE

PRIORITY IS EDUCATION AND TO BALANCE THE NEEDS FROM

HIGHER EDUCATION TO K-12 PUBLIC EDUCATION, TO EARLY

CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, ALL OF THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BUT

EDUCATION ITSELF, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF THE STATE BUDGET

IS ABSOLUTELY THE TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO

RESTORE THE INVESTMENTS WE’VE MADE IN THE PAST THAT

HAVE PROVEN MOST SUCCESSFUL TO THE FUTURE OF MINNESOTA.

WE NEED TO GIVE STUDENTS THE EDUCATION THEY NEED, AND

IT’S ALSO BEEN PREDICTED THAT MORE OF THE JOBS IN

MINNESOTA, THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER STATE IN THE FUTURE

ARE GOING TO REQUIRE A COLLEGE EDUCATION.

WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THOSE ARE HIGHER PAYING JOBS.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE

EVERYONE ACCESS TO OUR PUBLIC COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES

SO THAT THEY CAN ALL REALIZE AND ACHIEVE TOGETHER THAT

AMERICAN DREAM THAT WILL BENEFIT THEM, THAT WILL

BENEFIT ALL OF US IN MINNESOTA.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. EMMER, ADEQUATELY FUNDING EDUCATION AND

CONNECTING IT TO JOBS.

>> WELL, I THINK THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION,
CONNECTING IT TO JOBS, IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE WHAT

YOUR COMMITMENT IS, WHETHER IT’S HIGHER EDUCATION, K-12

EDUCATION, EARLY CHILDHOOD, ET CETERA, YOU HAVE TO PUT

FORTH A COMPLETE AND DETAILED, BALANCED BUDGET.

THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ONLY HAS A DEFICIT IN THE NEXT

BIENNIUM IF WE ARE COMMITTED TO SPENDING MORE THAN WE

HAVE.

IF WE ARE COMMITTED TO SPENDING MORE THAN THE 7 TO 8%

NEW REVENUE, THEN WE HAVE A DEFICIT, UNLESS YOU ARE

WILLING TO PROVIDE A BALANCED BUDGET.

I SUPPOSE YOU CAN PROMISE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT YOU CAN’T DELIVER ON IT.

WE — HERE’S OUR PROMISE.

WE PUT OUT A COMPLETE AND DETAILED BUDGET THAT TELLS

YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE’LL DO IN FUNDING FOR HIGHER ED.

IT IS LESS IN THE NEXT BIENNIUM.

WHY?

BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO CHALLENGE THE UNIVERSITY OF

MINNESOTA AND THE MnSCU SYSTEM TO START TO PROVIDE

MORE AFFORDABLE EDUCATION.

I PERSONALLY AS A PARENT OF 7 — AND JACKIE AND I HAVE

DONE THE MATH, WE’RE GOING TO BE WORKING UNTIL WE’RE

ABOUT 120 AT THE RATE THIS IS GOING, I’M TIRED OF

HEARING THE LEADERS IN OUR COLLEGE SYSTEM TELL US THAT
WE’RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE TUITION IF YOU PEOPLE

DON’T GIVE US THE MONEY WE’RE ASKING FOR. 45

IS ANYBODY AWARE THAT THE RETIREMENT PROGRAM AT THE

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA PROVIDES THAT AN EMPLOYEE OF

THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA CAN CONTRIBUTE 2% AND THE

UNIVERSITY WILL MATCH IT WITH 13% FOR RETIREMENT?

WHY IS IT THAT WE’RE ASKING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE TO PAY

MORE AND MORE TUITION, SO THAT WE CAN PAY THE

PROFESSORS A 2% — A 13% MATCH ON THEIR 2% RETIREMENT

CONTRIBUTION?

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND PEOPLE NEED TO START

TALKING ABOUT IT.

THE COMMITMENT SHOULD BE TO CHALLENGE OUR HIGHER

EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS TO START TO GET THEIR COSTS

UNDER CONTROL AND PROVIDE AN AFFORDABLE EDUCATION THAT

WE ALL EXPECT OUR KIDS TO HAVE.

[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

ASK THE AUDIENCE, AGAIN, NO CLAPPING.

NO CLAPPING.

THANK YOU.

>> I’LL CLAP.

>> Moderator: NO CLAPPING.

Mr. HORNER.

>> LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS FROM SENATOR DAYTON AND
REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, THOUGH.

THEY’RE ALL ABOUT THE PAST. 46

THEY’RE ALL ABOUT WHAT WE’VE DONE OVER THE LAST 10

YEARS, 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS.

THIS HAS TO BE AN ELECTION ABOUT THE FUTURE.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO INNOVATE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE

DIFFERENT?

WE HAVE TO STOP ASKING THE QUESTION, SENATOR DAYTON,

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, OF HOW MUCH AND START ASKING THE

QUESTION OF WHAT FOR.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO ACHIEVE AS A STATE FOR PROSPERITY,

FOR JOB GROWTH, FOR OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE

IN THIS AUDIENCE.

AND NEXT YEAR, LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE.

A NEW PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY, A NEW CHANCELLOR OF

MINNESOTA STATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AND A NEW

GOVERNOR.

THERE’S OUR OPPORTUNITY, WITH THE RIGHT GOVERNOR, WITH

THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP, TO REALLY ASK OURSELVES WHAT DOES

MINNESOTA NEED, WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES WE HAVE TO

ACHIEVE IN HIGHER EDUCATION.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET TO 70% OF THE ADULT POPULATION

THAT HAS SOME POST-HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION?

BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT ALL THE STUDIES SAY WE NEED.

AND WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE
TABLE.

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT ADMISSION FOR OUR 2-YEAR SCHOOLS,

ARE WE FUNDING THEM APPROPRIATELY?

WHAT ABOUT OUR 4-YEAR SCHOOLS, SHOULD WE BE OFFERING

200, 300 MAJORS AT OUR 4-YEAR SCHOOLS OR SHOULD WE LOOK

AT A WISCONSIN MODEL WHERE WE HAVE CENTERS OF

EXCELLENCE, WHERE WE HAVE FOCUS.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF STRATEGIC QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE

TO ASK OURSELVES, AND HOW DO WE TRULY GET TO A

WORLD-CLASS RESEARCH UNIVERSITY ON THE CAMPUS OF THE

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA?

BECAUSE I’LL TELL YOU THIS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JOBS,

ONE OF THE GREAT JOB CREATORS OF THE FUTURE WILL BE THE

BIOMEDICAL DISCOVERY CENTER ON THE CAMPUS OF THE

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

THAT’S WHAT’S GOING TO CREATE THE JOBS OF THE FUTURE,

NOT JUST SCIENCE AND MEDICAL JOBS BUT ALL THE JOBS THAT

NEW INDUSTRIES CREATE.

AND WE ONLY GET THERE IF WE’RE WILLING TO CHALLENGE THE

STATUS QUO, TO BE INNOVATIVE, TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE,

AND YOU DON’T GET THERE IF YOU HAVE YOUR FEET FIRMLY

PLANTED IN THE PAST.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: NOW WE’RE GOING TO SWITCH GEARS A
LITTLE BIT.

>> NO CLAPPING. 48

>> Moderator: EARLIER, WE ASKED THE MEMBERS OF THE

AUDIENCE WHO HAD QUESTIONS TO SUBMIT THEM TO US ON

THESE LITTLE SHEETS, AND LILLIAN FROM VERNON CENTER

POSED A QUESTION WHICH HAS BEEN FREQUENTLY ASKED AND

I’M NOT SURE WE’VE GOTTEN COMPLETE ANSWERS SO LILLIAN,

WE’LL TRY AGAIN TONIGHT.

OUR STATE HAS A HUGE DEFICIT WHICH SHE SAYS WILL ONLY

CONTINUE TO GROW.

WITHOUT CUTTING SPENDING ON PROGRAMS OR AREAS THAT YOU

THINK ARE UNDER, WHAT — ARE UNDERFUNDED, WHAT DO YOU

SEE AS THE LARGEST CUTS?

WE’LL START WITH REPRESENTATIVE EMMER.

>> THANK YOU, BILL, AND THANK YOU, LILLIAN.

PLEASE GO TO OUR WEBSITE, EMMERFORGOV.COM.

I’M SORRY, A SHAMELESS PLUG BUT PLEASE GO LOOK.

WE HAVE PUT OUT THE ONLY DETAILED AND BALANCED BUDGET

THAT TELLS YOU RIGHT AWAY WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT WE

SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS 7 TO 8% IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES.

WE HAVE MAINTAINED OUR COMMITMENT TO K-12 EDUCATION

WHICH CURRENTLY IS 13.3 BILLION AND WE’VE ADDED HALF A

BILLION DOLLARS TO THAT.

WHY?

BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT’S ALL ABOUT THROWING MORE
EDUCATION, K-12 EDUCATION AT THE SYSTEM?

NO. 49

BECAUSE WE ARE COMMITTED TO K-12 AND WE’RE ASKING FOR

REFORMS THAT COME WITH IT.

YOU’LL FIND THOSE ON THE WEBSITE IN DETAIL.

ALSO, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IS THE AREA THAT WE

ABSOLUTELY MUST START TO TACKLE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

MY FRIENDS TELL ME THAT I’VE CUT THE BUDGET BECAUSE

I’VE PUT OUT A COMPLETE AND BALANCED BUDGET, AGAIN,

USING JUST THE 7 TO 8% IN NEW REVENUES WE’RE GOING TO

HAVE.

AND YET, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES,

WE’VE ADDED ABOUT $600 MILLION.

THAT IS THE AREA, THOUGH, GOING FORWARD, WE MUST START

TO ADDRESS HOW WE DELIVER SERVICES, THOSE SOCIAL SAFETY

NET SERVICES, WHETHER IT’S HEALTH CARE, HOUSING OR

FOOD.

WE’VE GOT TO START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT AT A

STATE LEVEL.

THAT’S WHERE WE’VE GOT TO ADDRESS THE SPENDING GOING

FORWARD.

>> Moderator: GENTLEMEN, IN THIS SEGMENT, PLEASE TRY

TO HOLD YOUR ANSWERS TO ONE MINUTE.

Mr. HORNER, WHAT AREAS DO YOU THINK ARE TARGETS FOR

LARGE CUTS?
>> SO DO I GET DAYTON’S ONE MINUTE ALSO?

OKAY, WELL, THEN, VERY QUICKLY, LOOK, I’M THE ONLY ONE

THAT’S PUT OUT A BUDGET THAT HAS FUNDAMENTAL REFORMS,

STRUCTURAL REFORMS, AND THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO

CHANGE SPENDING.

IT’S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH WE’RE TAXING, HOW MUCH WE’RE

SPENDING RIGHT NOW, IT’S ABOUT HOW DO WE DO IT BETTER

IN THE FUTURE, SO I DO AGREE THAT HEALTH AND HUMAN

SERVICES IS THE WAY WE’RE GOING TO CHANGE STRUCTURALLY

HOW WE SPEND MONEY.

I HAVE PUT OUT A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL TO DELIVER — TO

CHANGE THE WAY WE DELIVER SERVICES, THE WAY WE PAY FOR

THOSE SERVICES.

JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

LOOK, SOCIAL SERVICE WORKERS IN COUNTIES NOW SPEND

ABOUT 40% OF THEIR TIME FILLING OUT PAPERWORK FOR THE

STATE.

WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE THAT.

ABOUT 40% OF THE PROPERTY TAX IN MANY COUNTIES DUE

DIRECTLY TO UNFUNDED MANDATES IMPOSED BY THE STATE.

THAT’S WASTED MONEY, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.

THE ONLY WAY WE’RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT IS IF WE CHANGE

HOW WE DELIVER HUMAN SERVICES, TIE MORE OF THE DELIVERY

TO THE ACCOUNTABILITY, PUT IT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND

GET THE STATE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF
UNNECESSARY, UNFUNDED MANDATES.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU. 51

SENATOR DAYTON, WHERE WOULD YOU MAKE LARGE BUDGET CUTS?

>> MY PROPOSAL — ALSO MAKE MY PITCH — IS ON MY

WEBSITE, WWWMARKDAYTON.ORG.

ALL THE DETAILS I CAN’T PROVIDE IN ONE MINUTE BUT THE

BASIC DIFFERENCE AMONG THE THREE OF US IS I WOULD

PROTECT MIDDLE INCOME MINNESOTANS FROM PAYING HIGHER

TAXES TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND I WOULD RAISE THE

INCOME TAX RATE ON THE TOP.

ACCORDING TO MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, 4% OF

MINNESOTA INCOME EARNERS IN PART BECAUSE THAT SAME

DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE SAYS THAT THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE

OF MINNESOTA, TOP 1%, IN FACT, WITH INCOMES OF OVER A

MILLION TWO, PAY ONLY TWO-THIRDS A PERCENT OF THEIR

INCOME IN STATE AND LOCAL INCOME IN TAXES COMPARED TO

THE REST OF MINNESOTANS.

MY TWO COLLEAGUES HERE WOULD RAISE — MR. HORNER TALKS

ABOUT TAX REFORM.

HIS REFORM IS TO EXTEND THE SALES TAX TO CLOTHING AND

TO CONSUMER SERVICES LIKE HAIRCUTS AND CAR REPAIRS.

I DON’T CONSIDER THAT REFORM, I CONSIDER THAT

INCREASING THE TAX BURDEN ON MIDDLE INCOME TAXPAYERS.

SIMILARLY, IF PROPERTY TAXES GO UP.

BOTH OF THOSE TAXES FALL MORE HEAVILY ON MIDDLE INCOME
TAXPAYERS THAN THE OTHER TAXES, SO I BELIEVE I’LL MAKE

TAXES FAIRER AND THEIR PROPOSAL WILL INCREASE THE TAX2

BURDEN ON MIDDLE INCOME MINNESOTANS.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: NO CLAPPING, PLEASE.

WE’LL NEED AN ARMED GUARD HERE PRETTY SOON, I THINK.

THIS IS A QUESTION FROM ANDREW FROM WASECA, MINNESOTA,

AND I THINK IT’S ONE THAT RESONATES WITH A LOT OF SMALL

SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS MINNESOTA.

ONE MINUTE HERE ON THIS, Mr. HORNER, YOU GO FIRST.

HOW DO YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS THE MANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS

STATEWIDE WHO HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ELIMINATE CLASSES,

INCREASE SIZES, HAVE NO ELECTIVES AND NO

EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, ALL OF WHICH ARE PREVENTING

OUR STUDENTS FROM BEING WELL-ROUNDED AND WELL-EDUCATED?

>> THE FIRST THING YOU DON’T DO — AND SENATOR DAYTON,

TO YOUR POINT THAT YOU’RE GOING TO PROTECT LOW-INCOME

TAXPAYERS, MAYBE, BUT YOU’LL DO IT AT THE EXPENSE OF

THEIR JOBS AND THAT’S NOT A TRADE-OFF I’M WILLING TO

MAKE.

ON PROTECTING SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WE HAVE TO STOP THE BAD

KINDS OF POLICIES THAT CAME OUT OF THIS PAST

LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE THEY TOOK $3 BILLION,

BORROWED IT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND KICKED THE
PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO ADEQUATELY FUND SCHOOL DISTRICTS

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO CHANGE HOW SCHOOLS OPERATE, SO I

WOULD MOVE AWAY FROM NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.

GIVE TEACHERS THE AUTHORITY, THE OPPORTUNITY, THE

RESPONSIBILITY TO TEACH.

LET THEM TEACH THE WAY THEY KNOW HOW.

UNSHACKLE THEIR HANDS FROM THE RIGIDITY OF NO CHILD

LEFT BEHIND AND LET THEM TEACH.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT CONSOLIDATION.

THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN NORTHWESTERN

MINNESOTA WITHIN 50 MILES OF EACH OTHER WHERE WE COULD

CONSOLIDATE THE DISTRICTS, REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE

OVERHEAD, PUT THE MOST INTO THE CLASSROOM, AND I

ALSO — WHILE I CAN’T PAY BACK THE DEFERRAL RIGHT NOW,

I WOULD PAY THE INTEREST ON ANY OPERATING LOANS THEY

HAVE TO TAKE OUT.

WE HAVE TO GET THEM TO FIVE-DAY WEEKS, AT LEAST.

>> Moderator: Mr. DAYTON, YOUR TURN.

>> ANDREW, THE OVERCROWDED CLASS ROOMS, THE FOUR DAYS A

WEEK YOU AND OTHERS HAVE DESCRIBED IS A DIRECT RESULT

OF THE STATE REDUCING PER PUPIL AID BY $1300 AFTER

INFLATION, AND THAT MONEY HAS ALSO CAUSED A CUT IN

FUNDING, HAS ALSO CAUSED AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES

THROUGHOUT MINNESOTA.
SO MY BUDGET CALLS FOR AN INCREASE OF A BILLION DOLLARS

IN STATE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC K-12 EDUCATION IN THE NEXT

BIENNIUM.

IT ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT PART OF THAT INCREASE IS

NECESSARY BECAUSE THEY’RE EXPECTED TO HAVE ABOUT 14,000

MORE STUDENTS IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS OVER THOSE TWO

YEARS, AND THAT MONEY WOULD ENABLE US TO LOWER CLASS

SIZES, TO HAVE THE KINDS OF INDIVIDUAL DIAGNOSTIC

TESTING WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN EFFECTIVE, SCHOOL

DISTRICTS LIKE LAKEVILLE, ST. CROIX EDUCATION DISTRICT

WOULD HELP CHILDREN ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY GRADES TO

IDENTIFY READING DIFFICULTIES, TO HELP OVERCOME THOSE

READING DIFFICULTIES, THAT’S LIFE-TRANSFORMING.

THAT MEANS THEY’RE POISED TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL EARNERS

AND SUCCESSFUL ADULTS.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. EMMER, ONE MINUTE.

>> SENATOR, FIRST OFF, IT SOUNDS GOOD, YOU CAN MAKE ALL

KINDS OF PROMISES BUT WHEN YOU DON’T PRESENT A DETAILED

AND BALANCED BUDGET, WHEN YOU HAVE A BILLION-DOLLAR

HOLE IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU CAN’T MAKE GOOD ON THE

PROMISES YOU’RE MAKING.

THE STATEMENT, OUR FUNDING HAS GONE UP, OUR PER PUPIL

FUNDING HAS DEFINITELY GONE UP IN THE LAST DECADE.

HERE’S THE PROBLEM.
YOU HAVE TO EQUALIZE THE FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE

THAT ANY DECISIONS WE’RE MAKING ARE IN THE BEST 55

INTERESTS OF THE STUDENT AND NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF

THE UNION BOSS THAT IS FRANKLY INTERRUPTING ALL…

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Moderator: PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING!

THANK YOU.

>> AND THEN IT’S, BRIEFLY, MEASURE, REPORT AND REWARD.

IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT MORE MONEY, EVEN THOUGH WE’RE

INCREASING IT, IT’S ABOUT MEASURING OUTCOMES, ABOUT

REPORTING THOSE OUTCOMES TO PARENTS SO THEY CAN MAKE

EDUCATED DECISIONS AND TO TEACHERS SO THEY KNOW THEY’RE

PERFORMING, AND IT’S ABOUT REWARDING GOOD SCHOOLS AND

GOOD TEACHERS BY PAYING THEM MORE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

NEXT QUESTION.

>> NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM ED FROM MANKATO.

ED SAYS MINNESOTA’S PREVAILING WAGE LAW IN EFFECT

INCREASES THE COST OF STATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

WOULD YOU ADVOCATE REPEAL OF THIS LAW?

AND SENATOR DAYTON, LET’S START WITH YOU.

>> NO, I WOULD NOT.

I THINK IT’S THE WAY IN WHICH YOU PROVIDE INCOME AND WE

WANT PEOPLE TO RECEIVE INCOME COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR

SKILLS AND TALENTS AND THEY IN TURN SPEND THOSE DOLLARS
IN THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND BOOST THE ECONOMY.

THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN MAKE THOSE MINNESOTA 56

COMPANIES MORE COMPETITIVE.

WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT WISCONSIN’S DONE, WHICH IS A

BIDDING PREFERENCE FOR IN-STATE BUSINESSES.

CONTRACTOR IN BAGLEY TOLD ME THAT IF HE IS A HIGHWAY

CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR, IF HE GETS A PROJECT IN SOUTH

DAKOTA, HE HAS TO PAY AN EXCISE TAX EQUAL TO 2% OF THE

VALUE OF THE HIGHWAY EQUIPMENT THAT HE’S HAULING ACROSS

STATE LINES.

SO WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO RECOGNIZE THE

COMPETITION THAT MINNESOTA EMPLOYERS ARE IN RELATIVE TO

OTHER STATES, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREVAILING WAGE, I

WOULD PROTECT THAT WAGE.

>> Moderator: REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, WOULD YOU REPEAL

THE PREVAILING WAGE LAW?

>> WELL, AGAIN, THAT’S NOT UP TO THE GOVERNOR, BILL,

THAT’S GOING TO BE UP TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PREVAILING

WAGE LAW, THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT

ARE WORKING ON CERTAIN PROJECTS ARE GETTING A LIVABLE

WAGE OR GETTING A COMPETITIVE WAGE.

I DON’T THINK IT’S WORKING THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.

THAT’S MY PERSONAL VIEW.

I THINK THAT IT’S ACTUALLY ADDING TO COSTS OF PROJECTS
AND ACTUALLY PRICING PEOPLE OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE.

BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THAT’S UP TO THE LEGISLATURE. 57

IF THE LEGISLATURE ADDRESSES PREVAILING WAGE, THAT’S

SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO

RESPOND TO.

>> Moderator: Mr. HORNER, WOULD YOU ADVOCATE

REPEALING THE…

>> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT CEO LEADERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN’T DUCK TOUGH ISSUES JUST BECAUSE

THEY’RE TOUGH ISSUES AND PALM THEM OFF ON THE

LEGISLATURE AND, SENATOR, YOU CAN’T JUST KEEP SAYING

YES TO EVERY SPECIAL INTEREST THAT CROSSES YOUR PATH.

THE REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS OF THE

STATE WHERE PREVAILING WAGE ISN’T WORKING THE WAY IT

WAS INTENDED.

GO DOWN TO AUSTIN, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE DOWN THERE

TODAY.

THEY’LL TELL YOU THAT WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY WAGES

EQUIVALENT TO THE SOUTHERN TWIN CITIES METRO AREA, THAT

DOESN’T WORK IN AUSTIN, MINNESOTA.

CAN WE HAVE A PREVAILING WAGE THAT WORKS, THAT IS

EFFECTIVE, THAT IS FAIR, THAT WORKS IN THE WAY THAT IT

WAS INTENDED?

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE THE COURAGE, THE LEADERSHIP TO TAKE
ON THESE ISSUES, TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE, AND TO TURN

YOUR BACK ON SPECIAL INTERESTS. 58

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

ANOTHER QUESTION ON WAGES AND IT GOES TO YOU,

Mr. EMMER.

WOULD YOU SUPPORT A PAY FREEZE FOR ALL GOVERNMENT

EMPLOYEES, STATE, LOCAL, TO HELP SOLVE THE BUDGET

DEFICIT?

>> I’M SORRY, I COULDN’T HEAR YOU, JOE.

>> Moderator: LET ME SAY IT AGAIN.

WOULD YOU SUPPORT A PAY FREEZE FOR ALL GOVERNMENT

EMPLOYEES, STATE, LOCAL, SCHOOLS, TO HELP SOLVE THE

BUDGET DEFICIT?

>> JOE, I THINK — I THINK WE’VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

I THINK IT’S TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT REDESIGNING

GOVERNMENT ITSELF, AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO ADDRESS

THIS WITH SENATOR DAYTON BECAUSE HE KEEPS MAKING THE

STATEMENT THAT WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING WILL RAISE PROPERTY

TAXES.

I’M THE ONLY ONE UP HERE WHO HAS SAT ON A CITY COUNCIL

AND I’LL TELL YOU WHAT, THE GOVERNOR DOESN’T RAISE OUR

PROPERTY TAXES.

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO AND, YES, SOME OF THEIR DECISIONS

ARE MADE BASED UPON HOW THEY’RE GOING TO FUND CERTAIN

SERVICES THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT THEM TO PROVIDE BUT
THAT LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS HAS TO HAPPEN AT THE STATE

LEVEL, THE COUNTY LEVEL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL. 59

WHEN IT COMES TO FREEZING WAGES, THAT’S A SHORT-TERM

SOLUTION.

WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY REDESIGN GOVERNMENT TO MAKE IT

SMALLER AND MORE EFFICIENT, AND WE HAVE TO START

GROWING JOBS AGAIN IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA BECAUSE

NEW JOBS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE WHAT DRIVES NEW

REVENUES THAT ACTUALLY PAY FOR THE SERVICES PEOPLE

EXPECT FROM GOVERNMENT.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

Mr. HORNER, YOUR TURN.

>> YOU KNOW, PAY CUT FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IS ONE OF

THOSE GREAT BUMPER STICKER ISSUES BUT THAT’S NOT REALLY

THE ISSUE.

AS REPRESENTATIVE EMMER HAS SAID, AND MOST OF THE LAST

SEVERAL YEARS, PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ALREADY HAVE TAKEN A

PAY CUT.

WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THAT WE NEED TO FREEZE ALL HIRING AND LOOK AT

WHERE WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS

WE’LL FIND IS THAT MINNESOTA HAS A VERY TOP-HEAVY

BUREAUCRACY, NOT TOO MANY PUBLIC WORKERS NECESSARILY

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPERVISORS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SOME EFFICIENCIES THERE.
BUT SECONDLY, WE NEED TO TAKE ON THE CHALLENGE OF

PUBLIC PENSIONS AND I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO’S HAD60

THE COURAGE TO ADDRESS THAT.

THAT’S THE FUTURE, THE LONG-TERM CHALLENGE.

WE HAVE TO SAY TO UNIONS, LOOK, WE’LL PROTECT RETIREES,

WORKERS, WE’LL FULFILL OUR COMMITMENT TO THEM BUT WE DO

NEED TO ASK CURRENT WORKERS TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE.

MAYBE A HIGHER CONTRIBUTION, MAYBE IT’S EXTENDING THE

RETIREMENT AGE, AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY TO

TAXPAYERS, WE NEED TO TRANSITION NEW WORKERS TO A

DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLAN AND, TAXPAYERS, WE’RE GOING

TO ASK YOU TO PAY A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW SO YOU DON’T

GET CRUSHED IN THE FUTURE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

QUESTION TO YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

>> MOST STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY ENDURED WAGE

FREEZES AND LAYOFFS.

THE AVERAGE TEACHER SALARY IN MINNESOTA IS BELOW THE

NATIONAL AVERAGE.

AS I SAID EARLIER, GOVERNOR PAWLENTY HAS REDUCED THE

STATE WORKFORCE BY 11%, CITIES LIKE AUSTIN TOLD ME

TODAY THEY CUT BACK 50 POSITIONS.

MnSCU, THE WORKERS HAVE ENDURED A WAGE FREEZE,

SOMETHING HAS TO BE BUDGETED IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE

NEXT GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE HAVE INHERITED, A $5.8
BILLION DEFICIT AND THAT’S SOMETHING BACK IN THE

PREVIOUS RECESSION, IN THE ’80s, GOVERNOR QUIE, 61

HONORABLE THAT HE WAS, CALLED SPECIAL SESSIONS TO

PROVIDE THE NEXT LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR WITH A

BALANCED BUDGET.

BUT TO CONTINUE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES I THINK IS CONTINUING THE PRACTICES OF

GOVERNOR PAWLENTY AND THAT IS UNFAIR.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

NEXT QUESTION.

>> Moderator: NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM CAROL OF

MANKATO.

CAROL WRITES PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES HAVE SEEN CUTS TO

SERVICES AND PROGRAMS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION, WHAT CAN PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES EXPECT?

Mr. HORNER.

>> I’M SORRY.

WELL, I THINK UNDER MY ADMINISTRATION WHAT PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES CAN EXPECT IS RESPECT.

I MEAN THAT, WE’LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO NEED

ASSISTANCE FROM THE GOVERNOR, THAT ARE VULNERABLE WILL

RECEIVE THAT.

I THINK IT WAS APPALLING THAT WE CUT SERVICES FOR

PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, THAT’S HOW A LOT OF DISABLED MINNESOTANS ARE

ABLE TO GET BACK INTO THE MAINSTREAM OF JOBS AND 62

LIVING.

YOU KNOW, WE DID A FORUM OVER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

MINNESOTA THE OTHER DAY.

STUDENT CAME UP TO ME AND ASKED ME THAT VERY QUESTION,

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS

LIKE PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANTS ARE FUNDED.

HE SAID, I’M GLAD THAT YOU SAID THAT.

I HAVE 12 DIFFERENT DISABILITIES.

WITHOUT A PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT, I WOULDN’T BE HERE

AND, YET, I’M GOING TO GRADUATE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF

MINNESOTA AND LIVE A PRODUCTIVE LIFE.

THAT’S WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE OUR INVESTMENTS.

>> Moderator: SENATOR DAYTON?

>> WELL, I AGREE ABOUT THE NEED TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING

THROUGH PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANTS AND OTHERS, AND IT WAS

VERY DISTRESSING TO FIND A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THERE

WERE EVIDENCE THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE OVERBILLING, IN

FACT, BILLING FOR THEIR SERVICES FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS

A DAY THAT UNDER GOVERNOR PAWLENTY, THE DEPARTMENT OF

MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET HAD ELIMINATED THE 7 INTERNAL

AUDIT POSITIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT KIND OF

INTERNAL OVERSIGHT.

AS STATE AUDITOR, I LEARNED IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
THE DOLLARS ARE BEING EXPENDED PROPERLY, YOU HAVE TO

HAVE AN AUDIT OVERSIGHT FUNCTION. 63

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE DOLLARS ARE

GOING TO THE INTENDED BENEFICIARIES OF THOSE SERVICES.

IN TERMS OF BROADER HEALTH CARE FOR PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES AND OTHERS, EARLY OPT-IN FOR MEDICAID I

WOULD SIGN ON THE FIRST DAY IN OFFICE, PROVIDES $1.4

BILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING THAT ENABLES HOSPITALS

THROUGHOUT GREATER MINNESOTA, LIKE EMANUEL

St. JOSEPH’S WHO RECEIVES MONEY HERE IN MANKATO TO

RECEIVE THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO PROVIDE BETTER QUALITY

HEALTH CARE SERVICES TO ALL MINNESOTANS.

>> Moderator: REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, WHAT COULD PEOPLE

WITH DISABILITIES EXPECT FROM YOU?

>> AS I’VE ALREADY INDICATED, YOU CAN SEE OUR BUDGET.

AND IT IS A COMPLETE BUDGET WITHIN THE MONEY WE HAVE, 7

TO 8% GROWTH, $2.5 BILLION HOLE IN HIS BUDGET, A

BILLION-DOLLAR PLUS WITH SPENDING PROMISES CONTINUING

TO BE MADE.

THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AREA WE’VE INCREASED BY

$600 MILLION.

YOU FUND YOUR PRIORITIES, AND OUR PRIORITIES ARE

CHILDREN, DISABLED, SENIORS, NURSING HOMES, VETERANS.

NOT ABLE-BODIED ADULTS.

AND THEN I’VE GOT TO SAY SOMETHING, SENATOR DAYTON.
I BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO

BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS AND

THAT’S JUST WRONG.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKED OUTSIDE OF

GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THE UNRESTRAINED

GROWTH OF GOVERNMENT THAT ARE ACTUALLY CARRYING THIS

THING AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO

JUST GROW SPENDING FOOLISHLY AND WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY

FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO PAY THAT BILL.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED OF.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

NEXT QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE COMES FROM PAUL FROM

MANKATO.

AND IT WOULD GO TO YOU FIRST, Mr. DAYTON.

NO ONE CAN DO EVERYTHING BUT ALMOST EVERYONE CAN DO

SOMETHING.

AS GOVERNOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ENSURE THAT OUR HUMAN

SERVICES HELP EACH CLIENT TO BECOME AS INDEPENDENT AS

POSSIBLE RATHER THAN BEING A LONG-TERM BURDEN ON THE

TAXPAYERS?

>> WELL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEVERE

DISABILITIES, I THINK THAT’S WHAT — AND EVEN PEOPLE

WITH DISABILITIES, I MEAN, THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND

ASPIRE TO.
BACK IN THE MID-1990s, WHEN THE CONGRESS FROZE THAT

BACK THEN, THE FUNDING, AND WITH THE EMPLOYMENT GROWTH

THAT OCCURRED UNDER PRESIDENT CLINTON AND A REPUBLICAN

CONGRESS AND A GROWING ECONOMY, THERE WERE MORE DOLLARS

BEING ABLE TO BE SPENT FOR INDIVIDUAL RECIPIENTS IN

SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, THEY FOUND THAT MOST PEOPLE DO

PROVIDE DIRECT SOCIAL SERVICE, YOU PROVIDE

TRANSPORTATION, IT PROVIDES COUNSELING, JOB

APPLICATIONS, THE CHILD CARE THAT EMPLOYEES NEED, THAT

YOU PROVIDE ALL THE ARRAY OF THOSE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES,

THAT PEOPLE DO MOVE INTO EMPLOYMENT AND THEY STAY IN

EMPLOYMENT.

THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

THEY WANT A CHANCE TO EARN A LIVING.

YOU KNOW, THE BEST ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAM IS A JOB SO IF

WE GO BACK TO RECOGNIZING THAT ASPIRATION OF EVERYONE

TO CONCEIVABLY BE A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF OUR SOCIETY,

RECOGNIZE THAT’S CRUCIAL TO THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL

SELF-ESTEEM, HELPS THEM ATTAIN THAT, WE’LL SEE THAT

SUCCESS.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. EMMER, QUESTION TO YOU.

>> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, PAUL, IS GROWING JOBS IN

THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND NOT ALLOWING GOVERNMENT TO

KEEP GROWING AT DOUBLE-DIGIT PERCENTAGES EVERY TWO
YEARS.

I DON’T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT AT THE END OF THIS

BIENNIUM, FROM 2001 TO 2011, OUR STATE’S GENERAL FUND

SPENDING WILL HAVE GROWN BY $6.5 BILLION, ALMOST $6.5

BILLION.

THAT’S ROUGHLY ABOUT 20% OF OUR TOTAL ALMOST $31

BILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

THESE TWO GENTLEMEN BELIEVE IN JUST THE NEXT TWO YEARS,

OUR STATE’S GENERAL FUND SPENDING SHOULD GROW BY ALMOST

$8 BILLION IN JUST THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

FIRST, IT’S CONTROLLING THE GROWTH OF GOVERNMENT.

SECOND, IT’S GROWING JOBS AGAIN IN THE STATE OF

MINNESOTA ‘CUZ IF YOU GROW JOBS AGAIN, YOU GOT

PEOPLE — YOU HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK BUT MORE

IMPORTANTLY, YOU CAN ALSO PAY FOR THE SERVICES YOU

EXPECT GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. EMMER.

Mr. HORNER.

>> WELL, IF ONLY THINGS WERE THAT SIMPLE, WE’D ALL BE

BETTER OFF BUT THEY’RE NOT, OF COURSE.

OF COURSE WE NEED TO CREATE AN ECONOMY THAT PROMOTES

JOBS.

WE NEED GOOD TAX POLICY, WE NEED TO STREAMLINE THE

REGULATORY PROCESS, WE NEED GOOD EDUCATION, BUT JOBS –

IT’S EASY FOR TO US SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, WE OUGHT TO
HAVE MORE JOBS.

WHAT ABOUT THAT 55-YEAR-OLD WHO DID EVERYTHING RIGHT67

AND THE ECONOMY PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER HIM OR

HER?

DO WE JUST SAY GO GET A JOB WHEN THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT

THERE, WHEN THEY DON’T HAVE THE SKILLS FOR THE JOBS

THAT ARE AVAILABLE?

WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EDUCATION AS LIFELONG LEARNING,

INCLUDING JOB TRAINING, AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE THE

SKILLS SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE JOBS THAT THE KIND OF

ECONOMY THAT I’M GOING TO HELP PROMOTE IS — MAKES

AVAILABLE TO US.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SPIRALING INTO BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE OF

HEALTH CARE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE NEED

TO DO.

RESTRUCTURE THE SYSTEM SO THAT SMALL EMPLOYERS AGAIN

CAN PROVIDE HEALTH CARE TO THEIR WORKERS AND DO THE

EARLY OPT-IN TO MEDICAID.

AND THEN AS SENATOR DAYTON SAID, WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE

SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR THOSE FAMILIES IN CRISIS, AND

WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORTGAGE COUNSELING SO PEOPLE CAN

KEEP THEIR HOMES.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

NEXT QUESTION.
>> Moderator: NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM WHITNEY FROM

WELLS. 68

SAYS, CURRENTLY GOVERNMENT-FUNDED PROGRAMS AND

ORGANIZATIONS MUST SPEND ALL THEIR ALLOCATED MONEY

WITHIN THE YEAR OR RISK LESS FUNDING THE NEXT YEAR,

THUS CREATING A DISINCENTIVE FOR RESPONSIBLE SPENDING.

DO YOU HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS IN MINNESOTA?

WE’LL START WITH YOU, REPRESENTATIVE EMMER.

>> YES.

WE’VE GOT TO HAVE WHAT SOME PEOPLE REFER TO AS

ZERO-BASED BUDGETING.

I WOULD CALL IT THE SAME CONCEPT AS BALANCING THE

FAMILY CHECKBOOK.

YOU DON’T SPEND MONEY YOU DON’T HAVE, YOU DON’T BASE

YOUR BUDGET OFF WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEND.

YOU BASE YOUR BUDGET OFF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO THINK, WHITNEY,

THAT WE’RE GOING TO JUST GROW GOVERNMENT ALMOST 20% IN

THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SPEND THAT.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ALONE SCHEDULED ITSELF FOR A

32% GROWTH IN JUST TWO YEARS.

THINK ABOUT THIS, WHITNEY, IF WE DON’T GET TO BALANCING

OUR BUDGETS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE

WANT TO HAVE, IF WE DON’T GET BACK TO GROWING NEW JOBS
SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUES, HEALTH AND HUMAN

SERVICES ALONE — AND BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE 69

COMMITTED TO SPENDING THAT 32% OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS,

IF THAT GOES UNCHECKED, THAT ONE AREA OF GOVERNMENT

WILL EAT UP THE ENTIRE BUDGET WITHIN A DECADE.

THEN THERE WILL BE NO MONEY FOR K-12 EDUCATION, NO

MONEY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, ROADS, BRIDGES, ET CETERA.

>> Moderator: Mr. HORNER, SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

>> IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID I WOULD TELL MY CABINET

IN THAT FIRST MEETING AND THAT IS, WE START WITH

OUTCOMES.

WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH AS A STATE TO BE

PROSPEROUS, TO THRIVE, TO CREATE A GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR

EVERYONE.

WE START WITH THE OUTCOMES THAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE, AND

THEN WE MEASURE PROGRESS AGAINST THOSE OUTCOMES.

NOT AGAINST HOW MUCH MONEY WE’RE SPENDING, WE DON’T SET

BUDGETS AGAINST WHAT WORKED IN THE PAST, WHAT DIDN’T

WORK IN THE PAST.

WE CERTAINLY DON’T SET BUDGETS AGAINST WHAT SPECIAL

INTERESTS TELL US TO DO.

WE SET BUDGETS AGAINST WHAT DO WE NEED TO ACHIEVE AS A

STATE.

AND THEN WE HOLD THOSE PROGRAMS ACCOUNTABLE.

SO WHAT I’VE PROPOSED IS THAT WE OUGHT TO BE ABSOLUTELY
TRANSPARENT.

WE OUGHT TO CREATE WEBSITES WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC 70

PROGRAMS ON THE WEBSITE.

HERE ARE THE OUTCOMES THAT WE EXPECT FROM THEM, HERE

ARE THE MEASURES, HERE’S HOW THEY’RE DOING AGAINST

THOSE MEASURES, AND EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A LOOK AND

EVERYBODY CAN JUDGE, AND THAT’S HOW WE ENGAGE

MINNESOTANS IN THE PROCESS SO THAT WE’RE ALL HOLDING

GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU.

SENATOR DAYTON?

>> WELL, I HAVE A BOOK IN MY LIBRARY ENTITLED “THE

DEATH OF COMMON SENSE.”

AND WHAT WHITNEY JUST DESCRIBED IS ONE OF THOSE

PROCEDURES THAT DEFIES COMMON SENSE.

WHEN I WAS STATE AUDITOR AND THROUGH OUR AUDITS WE

CHARGE FEES TO THE CLIENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND SO I

ASKED THE THEN DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, SHOULDN’T OUR

BUDGET PROPOSAL BE CREDITED WITH THE REVENUES THAT OUR

SERVICES BROUGHT IN.

NO, THAT WASN’T POSSIBLE.

YOU JUST LOOK AT THE EXPENSES ON ONE SIDE, THE REVENUES

ON A TOTALLY SEPARATE LEDGER.

AGAIN, DEFIES COMMON SENSE.

I’VE TALKED TO MANAGEMENT CONSULTANTS IN PRIVATE SECTOR
WHO HAVE WORKED WITH DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS AND

REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY SAVE HUNDREDS

OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, SAID THERE’S BEEN NO INTEREST

BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS

TO LOOKING FOR THOSE COST-SAVING ADMINISTRATIVE

EFFICIENCIES.

I WILL LOOK FOR THEM, I WILL BRING MY AGENCY HEADS IN

WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY, I’LL BRING OUTSIDE PRIVATE

SECTOR CONSULTANTS IN BECAUSE I WANT TO BE SURE THAT

MINNESOTA TAXPAYERS, EVERY ONE OF THEIR TAX DOLLARS IS

BEING SPENT AS EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

WE’LL GO TO THE NEXT AUDIENCE QUESTION FROM NORTH

MANKATO.

IS THE CIVIL COMMITMENT OF SEX OFFENDERS THE BEST

SOLUTION TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM THE PUBLIC AFTER

THEIR PRISON TERMS END?

WOULD YOU CONSIDER INDETERMINANT SENTENCING?

TREATMENT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A CURE AND IS VERY

EXPENSIVE.

Mr. HORNER.

>> IS CIVIL COMMITMENT THE BEST SOLUTION?

NO, BUT WE HAVEN’T FIGURED OUT A BETTER ONE, SO DO WE

HAVE TO LOOK AT INDETERMINANT SENTENCING?

OF COURSE.
WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE MOST HEINOUS

OFFENDERS, THE WORST OF THE WORST, AND WE HAVE TO 72

FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THEM OFF THE STREETS.

I, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WORRY ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL

RIGHTS THAT ARE IN JEOPARDY BUT I THINK, FIRST AND

FOREMOST, WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE

PUBLIC AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT IN THESE

KINDS OF HEINOUS OFFENSES, THESE KINDS OF OFFENDERS,

THAT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE — THAT THE

PUBLIC IS SAFE FROM THOSE OFFENDERS.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

THE QUESTION GOES TO YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

>> PUBLIC SAFETY ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE THE PARAMOUNT

CONCERN, AND WITH THE CRIMINAL SENTENCING — HAVING

INDETERMINANT SENTENCING IN CASE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF

LIFE SENTENCES WITHOUT PAROLE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE

CIVIL COMMITMENT TO FOLLOW THAT AND ALLOWS FOR THAT

THEN KIND OF INDETERMINEATE SENTENCING IN WHICH WE’VE

SEEN A CELEBRATED INCIDENT WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL

COMMITTED A HEINOUS ASSAULT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WAS

SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED AFTER SERVING THE CRIMINAL

SENTENCE AND IT WAS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE PROCEDURE TO

CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT PERSON INCARCERATED FOR AN

INDETERMINATE PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THE EXPERTS JUDGED

THAT HE WAS NOT REHABILITATED AND WAS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE
TO REHABILITATION.

SO, ABSOLUTELY, THOSE PROCEDURES, IF THERE ARE 73

DEFICIENCIES, I’LL SUPPORT THOSE BECAUSE THE PROTECTION

OF THE PUBLIC IS ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT, AND THAT’S WHY I

HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE MINNESOTA POLICE AND PEACE

OFFICER ASSOCIATION.

THEY RECOGNIZE MY COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

Mr. EMMER?

>> JOE, I ALREADY HAVE A RECORD ON THIS.

CIVIL COMMITMENT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED AND THE WORST OF

THE WORST SEX OFFENDERS SHOULD BE COMMITTED — SHOULD

BE SENTENCED INDETERMINATELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU.

NEXT QUESTION IS FROM MANKATO, START WITH YOU, SENATOR

DAYTON.

WHAT WILL YOU DO TO KEEP BUSINESSES FROM MIGRATING OUT

OF MINNESOTA TO STATES WITH LOWER TAXES?

>> WELL, WHEN I WAS COMMISSIONER OF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT, WHY DID BUSINESSES CHOOSE TO LOCATE OR

EXPAND IN MINNESOTA?

THE REASON WAS WELL-EDUCATED, HARD-WORKING CITIZENS.

ALONG WITH THAT WAS A GOOD HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, GOOD

STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES, GOOD
INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE DETERIORATION OF OUR HIGHWAYS IN GREATER MINNESOTA,

THE CONGESTION DUE TO LACK OF INVESTMENTS IN OUR URBAN

HIGHWAYS AND PUBLIC TRANSIT HAVE BEEN — ARE SERIOUSLY

A DETRACTION FOR QUALITY OF LIVES OF OUR CITIZENS AS

WELL AS FOR BUSINESSES, SO WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ALL OF

THOSE AREAS, AND WE NEED TO KEEP TAXES COMPETITIVE WITH

OTHER STATES.

WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF TARGETED INCENTIVES

ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE IN BORDER COMMUNITIES THAT WILL

ENABLE THEM TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THEIR IMMEDIATE

NEIGHBORS, BUT LONG TERM, THE EXPERTS HAVE SAID THE

BEST SUCCESS FOR MINNESOTA WILL BE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE

THE BEST EDUCATION SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, STARTING WITH

EARLY CHILDHOOD, K-12 AND HIGHER EDUCATION.

THOSE WOULD BE THE ENTREPRENEURS OF THE FUTURE LOCATING

IN STARTING UP BUSINESSES, THOSE WILL BE THE PEOPLE

THAT THEY WILL HIRE TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, SENATOR.

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO KEEP

BUSINESSES FROM MOVING TO LOW-COST, LOW-TAX STATES?

>> GET GOVERNMENT TO LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS ACCORDING TO

THE BUDGET WE’VE ALREADY PUT OUT WITH THE 7 TO 8% NEW

REVENUES AND MAKE MINNESOTA COMPETITIVE.

IT’S TRUE THAT MINNESOTA DOESN’T HAVE TO BE THE
CHEAPEST PLACE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE WORLD OR THE

COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST WORKFORCE. 75

IN FACT, OUR WORKFORCE IS NOT ONLY THE ENVY OF THE

UNITED STATES BUT PROBABLY THE ENVY OF MANY COUNTRIES

IN THE WORLD BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE.

WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE CORPORATE FRANCHISE TAX.

RIGHT NOW 9.8% WHEN IT’S COMBINED WITH THE FEDERAL TAX,

WE HAVE THE THIRD HIGHEST IN THE WORLD.

YOU REDUCE THAT BY A POINT IN EACH OF THE NEXT TWO

YEARS, PUTS APPROXIMATELY 360 MILLION INTO THE HANDS OF

OUR BUSINESSES TO START HIRING AND MAKING CAPITAL

PURCHASES.

10% EXCLUSION ON GROSS EARNINGS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES,

THE L.L.C.s, THE S CORPORATIONS THAT FILE PERSONAL

INCOME TAXES OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THAT WILL PUT 160

MILLION, ROUGHLY, INTO THE HANDS OF SMALL BUSINESS TO

INVEST AND REINVEST IN THEIR MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE,

WHICH ARE PEOPLE.

AND THEN WE’VE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING THE ANGEL

INVESTMENT TAX CREDIT, EXPANDING THE RESEARCH AND

DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT.

AND REDUCING THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX.

YOU DO THOSE THINGS ALONG WITH STREAMLINING GOVERNMENT

SO IT WORKS BETTER FOR BUSINESS, YOU WILL ATTRACT NEW

BUSINESS AND ALLOW EXISTING BUSINESSES TO START TO
THRIVE AGAIN.

>> Moderator: Mr. HORNER, HOW WILL YOU KEEP 76

BUSINESSES IN MINNESOTA?

>> I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

FIRST OF ALL, WE DO NEED TO BE A STATE THAT HAS TOP

TALENT.

WHAT WE EDUCATE, WHAT WE DEVELOP ON OUR OWN BUT,

SENATOR DAYTON, WE ALSO NEED TO BE A STATE THAT IS ABLE

TO RECRUIT TOP TALENT INTO MINNESOTA.

AND IF WE RAISE STATE INCOME TAX 30 TO 40%, THE

COMPANIES THAT NEED TO DO BUSINESS IN MINNESOTA, THAT

WE WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN MINNESOTA AREN’T GOING TO BE

RECRUITING IN THE MANAGEMENT CALIBER TALENT THAT THEY

NEED AND THEY’LL TELL YOU THAT.

SECONDLY, WE DO NEED TO BE A STATE OF INNOVATION.

WE NEED TO INVEST IN RESEARCH, BOTH BASIC AND APPLIED

RESEARCH IN OUR UNIVERSITIES AROUND THE STATE.

THIRDLY, WE DO NEED A TAX STRUCTURE THAT WORKS, NOT ONE

BASED ON THE PAST BUT ONE THAT IS LOOKING TO THE

FUTURE, ONE THAT TAKES LESS RELIANCE ON THE — PUTS

LESS RELIANCE ON THE INCOME TAX AND LOOKS AT A

CONSUMPTION TAX, REDUCE THE CORPORATE TAX, CREATES

INCENTIVES FOR INVESTMENT.

WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE’RE KEEPING COSTS UNDER

CONTROL, INCLUDING HEALTH CARE COSTS, AND THAT’S GOING
TO TAKE STRUCTURAL REFORM AND, LASTLY, WE NEED TO BE A

STATE THAT OFFERS THE KIND OF AMENITIES THAT BUSINESSES

WANT.

GREAT NATURAL ARTS OR NATURAL AMENITIES, ARTS, AND

MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

LAST AUDIENCE QUESTION HERE, AND WE’RE RUNNING A LITTLE

TIGHT SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEED UP THE ANSWER A LITTLE

BIT.

AS GOVERNOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO STOP VOTER FRAUD IN

MINNESOTA?

Mr. EMMER.

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, I’VE CARRIED THE PHOTO I.D. BILL

FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS IN THE MINNESOTA HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES.

8 OUT OF 10 MINNESOTANS BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SHOW A

PHOTO IDENTIFICATION WHEN WE GO TO VOTE AT THE POLLING

PLACE.

THAT’S NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD

DO, AS WELL, BUT I’LL KEEP THE TIME SHORT.

THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU.

Mr. HORNER.

>> WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE’S NOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE
OF VOTER FRAUD IN MINNESOTA AND SO FIRST WE NEED TO

MAKE… 78

[ Laughter ]

>> Moderator: ASK THE AUDIENCE TO NOT LAUGH.

[ Laughter ]

COURTESY TO THE CANDIDATE.

THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

CAN YOU CONTINUE, PLEASE.

>> YEAH.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE’S NOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE

IS A LOT OF VOTER FRAUD IN MINNESOTA SO WE NEED TO MAKE

SURE WE’RE CONTINUING THE EDUCATION SO THAT PEOPLE

UNDERSTAND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

SECONDLY, I WOULD AGREE WITH PHOTO I.D., I DO THINK

THAT WE NEED TO MOVE TO THAT SYSTEM.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

Mr. DAYTON.

>> WELL, THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTION PROCESS IS A

SHARED MINNESOTA COMMITMENT BUT STATE SENATOR FRITZ

KNAAK, A REPUBLICAN WHO WAS PART OF THE RECOUNT LAST

TIME IN THE CELEBRATED SENATE RECOUNT SAID THE PERSON

WITH THE MOST — GOT THE MOST VOTES WON THE ELECTION

AND OVER THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD, OVER A CAREFUL REVIEW

WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF

MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT AND ANOTHER ASSOCIATE JUSTICE
WERE BOTH APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR PAWLENTY IN A VERY

TRANSPARENT PROCESS, THE INTEGRITY OF THE MINNESOTA 79

ELECTION PROCESS WAS UPHELD, AND IF I’M GOVERNOR, I

WILL CONTINUE TO UPHOLD THAT.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. DAYTON.

BEFORE WE GO TO CLOSING STATEMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO

ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TONIGHT’S DEBATE WAS MADE POSSIBLE

THROUGH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF THE OTTO BREMER

FOUNDATION, BEST BUY, TARGET CORPORATION AND BLANDIN

FOUNDATION.

WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MINNESOTA STATE UNIVERSITY

OF MANKATO AND STUDENT GOVERNMENT FOR HOSTING DEBATES

MINNESOTA TONIGHT, AND SPECIAL THANKS TO PIONEER AND

KSMQ PUBLIC TELEVISION, MINNESOTA NEWS NETWORK AND

MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO FOR BROADCASTING TONIGHT’S

DEBATE.

AND THANKS, ALSO, TO THE OTHER TELEVISION, RADIO,

PRINTS MEDIA, BLOGGERS AND TWITTERERS IN THE AUDIENCE.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE THANK YOU FOR COMING, LISTENING IN

OR WATCHING FROM HOME.

OUR FIRST CLOSING STATEMENT IS REPRESENTATIVE EMMER.

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, BILL, THANK YOU, JOE, AGAIN, THANK YOU,

EVERYBODY HERE, THE SPONSORS THAT YOU JUST READ OFF,

MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF

THE PROCESS. 80

AGAIN, THERE IS A CHOICE TO BE MADE ON NOVEMBER

2nd.

THE CHOICE IS VERY CLEAR AND DISTINCT.

ON ONE SIDE, THERE IS THE OFFER THAT WE’RE GOING TO

GROW GOVERNMENT YET AGAIN AT AN UNSUSTAINABLE AND I

BELIEVE NOT A RESPONSIBLE PACE.

ALMOST 20% IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

EVEN IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT, FOLKS, WHAT TAXES ARE WE

GOING TO RAISE TWO YEARS FROM NOW?

IT’S TIME TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF OUR FUTURE AND OUR

CHILDREN’S FUTURE.

TIME TO SAY THAT GOVERNMENT MUST LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS

AND THAT MEANS THE 7 TO 8% IN NEW REVENUES THAT WE WILL

HAVE IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND THEN WE’VE

GOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO START GROWING JOBS AGAIN

IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

THAT’S THE CHOICE TO BE MADE ON NOVEMBER 2nd.

I HOPE YOU WILL AGREE WITH THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR

THE FUTURE OF THIS STATE.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL ALL SHOW UP ON NOVEMBER 2nd TO

VOTE AND HELP US MAKE OUR VISION REALITY IN THE STATE

OF MINNESOTA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE IN COURTESY 81

TO THE OTHER CANDIDATES.

PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.

Mr. HORNER.

>> LOOK WHAT’S HAPPENING IN THIS WEEK ALONE.

REPRESENTATIVE EMMER, SENATOR DAYTON INVITING NATIONAL

SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS TO COME INTO OUR STATE AND

SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON NEGATIVE ADVERTISING.

NOT FOR THE FUTURE OF MINNESOTA BUT FOR THESE NATIONAL

SPECIAL INTERESTS GROUPS TO GET ONE MORE TROPHY IN

THEIR TROPHY CASE.

THAT’S WHAT WE NEEDS TO RESIST.

THAT’S WHY I’VE REJECTED PAC CONTRIBUTIONS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT A GOVERNOR EMMER, WOULD HE MOVE

THE STATE A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT?

WITHOUT QUESTION.

GOVERNOR DAYTON, TO THE LEFT A COUPLE STEPS?

ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN’T BE A STATE THAT MOVES SIDEWAYS, HOWEVER.

WE NEED TO BE A STATE THAT MOVES TO THE FUTURE.

THE QUESTION IN THIS ELECTION IS WHETHER OR NOT

MINNESOTANS, WHETHER YOU AS VOTERS WILL HAVE THE

COURAGE TO VOTE FOR THE BEST GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR

THAT MINNESOTA NEWSPAPERS, FORMER GOVERNORS ALMOST
UNANIMOUSLY HAVE SAID WOULD BE THE BEST GOVERNOR FOR

MINNESOTA, OR ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE OUT OF FEAR? 82

I’M ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR YOUR FUTURE, TO VOTE FOR

WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT, TO VOTE FOR MINNESOTA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Moderator: THANK YOU, Mr. HORNER.

[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.

THANK YOU.

>> Moderator: AND SENATOR DAYTON, YOU GET THE LAST

WORD.

>> THANK YOU TO MINNESOTA-STATE MANKATO, DEBATE

MINNESOTA.

AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT YOUR

FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF OUR STATE.

IT’S ABOUT THE COMMITMENT TO KEEPING TAXES PROTECTED

FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT I DEMONSTRATED, OR RAISING

TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS THROUGH HIGHER PROPERTY

TAXES, HAVE HIGHER SALES TAX WHICH WILL INCREASE THE

TAX BURDEN ON MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES AND ON SMALL

BUSINESSES.

AND THEN WE NEED TO INVEST THOSE REVENUES IN EDUCATION.

HERE WE ARE AT MINNESOTA STATE-MANKATO, SERIOUS CUTS IN

THE AVAILABILITY OF EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG

PEOPLE AS IS THE CASE ALL OVER MINNESOTA.
YOU’RE OUR FUTURE.

STUDENTS HERE TODAY ALL OVER THE STATE WILL BE THE 83

FUTURE LEADERS, THE FUTURE BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS, THE

FUTURE DOCTORS, SCIENTISTS, LAWYERS, NURSES WE’LL

DEPEND UPON, ALL OF US, FOR OUR SUCCESS.

WE NEED TO GIVE YOU THE AFFORDABLE EDUCATION AND THAT,

UNFORTUNATELY, IS A COMMITMENT THAT’S SLACKED IN RECENT

YEARS.

I WILL RESTORE THAT COMMITMENT, I WILL RESTORE THE

COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE OF THE STATE AND TOGETHER

WE’LL CREATE A BETTER MINNESOTA.

[ Applause ]

>> Moderator: THANK YOU.

THAT ENDS OUR DEBATE.

THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT.

[ Applause ]

 

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